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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Sean_A on March 30, 2009, 04:16:38 AM
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Ciao
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Thanks, as with West Cornwall, Sean. Can't wait to see them both in the flesh in May.
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Sean, great tour as always - well done.
Neil
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Excellent photos - you are very clever at showing the architectural features. Commentary stimulating, as always.
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Excellent pix and thoughts, thanks for sharing, Sean.
#2 on my unrealistic wish list... :)
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terrific Sean, thanks!
and bonus points for using the word "Foozle"!
and that guy with the cane on the 10th hole sure reminds me of Bernard Darwin...any ghosts out there?? ;)
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I believe Sir John Betjeman, the famous English poet (died May 1984), is buried in the graveyard of the church behind the 10th green. If you are playing the course and there is no one behind you, it is certainly worth spending 5-10 minutes exploring the church & graveyard. I recall reading somewhere that most of the church was, when it was abandoned for a period of time a couple of centuries ago, buried under a massive sand dune.
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LOOKS SPORTY
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Does that ever look fun. You really do a nice job of capturing the feel of the course and much of the architecture with your photos and comments.
I do wish I could spend a winter on tour with you!
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Sean:
Terrific photos. Thank you. Is it my imagination or are there elements of St. Endoc that are very similar to Enniscrone? Scale is obviously different but I was reminded of Enniscrone 1, the green at 2 and the punchbowl 13th. I would appreciate your thoughts.
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Thanks Sean. St. Enodoc is a religious experience. It may be one of my favorite place to play. The welcome is also warm and genuine.
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Sean,
A wonderful winter you've had bringing us the delights of the more off piste offerings in the UK. You must have clocked up a few miles on your travels.
Chappers
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Sean
Great pictures as ever. St Enodoc is a magical place as your pictures capture that spirit.
I played there about four years ago and can't recommend it enough to people who mention they are going to Cornwall on holiday. I'd love to spend a lot of time there trying to figure out the best ways of playing holes like the 3rd, 4th, 6th and 10th. I do think that 11, 13 & 14 are weak in comparison but they don't really detract from the experience of a must play course.
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For anyone going to St. Endoc, be sure to bring your handicap certificate! They are (or at least were) sticklers about that. ;)
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For anyone going to St. Endoc, be sure to bring your handicap certificate! They are (or at least were) sticklers about that. ;)
They certainly are! Thank goodness for howdidido.co.uk!
I have great memories of the course. After Rick Stein'd fish and chips in Padstow, my wife treated me to the round as a 30th birthday present, and she walked round with me. I'm sure she would do that more often is every course was as wonderful as this! Though it was probably the windiest weather I've played in for a very long time!
Sean, I was trying to think of something else to say, but I can only add to the love fest for your photos and the course! Many great holes, but I love the 4th hole, a great short par 4! And I certainly liked the 10th, though having to wait for at least 15 minutes while a stream of ramblers just wandered up the middle of the fairway was real frustrating!
Cheers,
James
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...and don't forget that Mr Doak has it as one of his Gourmet Choices in his Confidential Guide ;D
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I will add that they have a great webcam on their website of the 1st and 18th holes, realtime webcam, great to peek in for a few minutes.
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Sean, the profiles you run are always eye-openers for me. Hope to see more of them!
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Sean:
Terrific photos. Thank you. Is it my imagination or are there elements of St. Endoc that are very similar to Enniscrone? Scale is obviously different but I was reminded of Enniscrone 1, the green at 2 and the punchbowl 13th. I would appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks all.
Rory
I would agree with you in terms of some of the greens, in particular #s 1, 2, 7, 12, 16 & 18. There is a modern edge to these greens which is a bit more in your face once you stand on them as compared to say the 3rd, 10th, 11th, 14th and 17th. However, excepting the greens, St Enodoc is far more daring design. Comparatively, Enniscrone is quite conventional. Not surprisingly, the new 16th green complex is very similar in style to what has been built lately on links. When I think of the new Royal hole at Hoylake, Burnham's new 6th (and a few others for that matter) and several of the holes at TEC - they all have a flavour of being able to be grouped together in the general style of Enniscrone. I spose this was one of the things which is a real double edged sword for Carne. I couldn't ever say that Hackett designed in the same mode as those mentioned above and this helps it to stand out as unique among modern designs - Hackett really was a throwback. That said, there are times when I wish he would have compromised and pushed a bit of dirt around.
Ciao
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Sean,
Thanks for the great tour. St Enodoc has always been near the top of my South England list and this just reaffirms why. I'm pretty sure I could enjoy playing that course for the rest of my life.
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Thanks Sean. St. Endoc is on the must see list. As for Mr. Hackett, I agree with you. I suspect that he was always concerned that moving more dirt meant added cost in areas where the local golf club was being run on a shoestring and the course financed through raffles etc.
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Marvelous work Sean.
St Enodoc looks like such a unique combination of holes. A one of a kind place that I look forward to playing one day. It's like some sort of epic voyage!
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Sean,
thanks for the great photos, I must get round to posting mine in the next few days. Enodoc is a great golfing experience and I too would recommend it to anybody. The only weakness I saw was with the new green at 16. From a GCA point of view it left me feeling that something was odd with it and it just didn't fit. The complex is fine in itself but as Sean said it is alittle to modern. It left me wondering, as did the 'garden wall' by the 8th tee what might have been had the GCA had handled the job a little more sympathetically,
Jon
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Sean,
thanks for the great photos, I must get round to posting mine in the next few days. Enodoc is a great golfing experience and I too would recommend it to anybody. The only weakness I saw was with the new green at 16. From a GCA point of view it left me feeling that something was odd with it and it just didn't fit. The complex is fine in itself but as Sean said it is alittle to modern. It left me wondering, as did the 'garden wall' by the 8th tee what might have been had the GCA had handled the job a little more sympathetically,
Jon
Cheers Jon. When I referred to the 16th as newish it wasn't meant in a negative way. I like the how the greens at St Enodoc have a mixed old/modern feel about them - it is one of the strengths of the course. I am not sure why a club with a course of modest length is worried about adding extra yards or if it is a better hole than previously, but I think the work done was good - excepting the spilling of sand (which does curiously open toward a prevalent wind direction) from the large bunker short right of the green. I think as a set the greens are in the same top class as Woking's or Beau Desert's even though I believe Beau's to be more difficult than either of the other two.
Ciao
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Sean,
I find the 16th looks slightly at odds to the surrounds. All the other greens fit in really well but the 16th has nothing that says this is how the land was before it was built. The 14th, with its obviously man made wall on the left hand side, fits beautifully into the surroundings as the wall itself appears as though it was there before the course was built and the green was fitted around it. Whether this is true I don't know, but it does give you that feeling.
16, for all its good contouring still feels as though it has been imposed. The lines are obviously man made and the tie ins are to uniform and symetrical. It is a fine example of workmanship but lacks that certain something to make it harmonious IMHO.
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Sean:
Terrific photos. Thank you. Is it my imagination or are there elements of St. Endoc that are very similar to Enniscrone? Scale is obviously different but I was reminded of Enniscrone 1, the green at 2 and the punchbowl 13th. I would appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks all.
Rory
I would agree with you in terms of some of the greens, in particular #s 1, 2, 7, 12, 16 & 18. There is a modern edge to these greens which is a bit more in your face once you stand on them as compared to say the 3rd, 10th, 11th, 14th and 17th. However, excepting the greens, St Enodoc is far more daring design. Comparatively, Enniscrone is quite conventional. Not surprisingly, the new 16th green complex is very similar in style to what has been built lately on links. When I think of the new Royal hole at Hoylake, Burnham's new 6th (and a few others for that matter) and several of the holes at TEC - they all have a flavour of being able to be grouped together in the general style of Enniscrone. I spose this was one of the things which is a real double edged sword for Carne. I couldn't ever say that Hackett designed in the same mode as those mentioned above and this helps it to stand out as unique among modern designs - Hackett really was a throwback. That said, there are times when I wish he would have compromised and pushed a bit of dirt around.
Ciao
According to Hacket, 14 of the holes in Carne were just there, but the other four he had to "move heaven and earth" for.
John
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Great pictures and great comments, Sean. I'm soo much looking forward to finally play there next week :)
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Take a look at the updated tour. Zowie!
Ciao