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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Matt Varney on February 25, 2009, 03:17:37 PM
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GCA,
Please take a look at Buck Point Golf Club
http://buckpointgolfclub.com/album.php
It was designed by P.B. Dye its located on Brookville Lake in Liberty, Indiana. No debt carry on the course or on any of the assets and all equipmet is included asking price is $600k.
If your interested please send me an e-mail to mvarney@activstrategy.com and I can provide additional information for your review in consideration of evaluating this course for purchase.
Matt
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Whoa that is cheap.
Only problem is it's kind of in the middle of nowhere. However I enjoy the computer graphic "bucks" on the website.
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How much shoreline does it have? Is the marina included?
Tempting for someone who wants to be a golf course operator....
Joe
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The property is under a long term ground lease with rights to pull water for irrigation from Brookville Lake. The state of Indiana holds the lease and it can renew in 2038 for a flat fee of $100 for another 30 year lease term. The Corps of Engineers controls the shoreline along the lake and the marina is not included in this deal.
Acreage is available adjacent to the golf course that allows for seasonal cabin/cottage development that could be for stay and play packages. If you need more information contact me and I can share confidential financials, lease agreements, equipment asset lists, etc...
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Matt;
What a shock to me that one of my favorite courses in this area [58 minutes from me in Cincy] is forsale. This course is a pleasing combination of 'simple country course' and PB Dye design. It is not a supercourse, but has a lot of really fun and challenging holes. The back nine is especially interesting. And of course it has some lakeside ambience, which has to upvalue the property.
Now I DO wish I had some money. $600K for this little gem is a worthy investment, if you believe our economy will recover. Hopefully someone agrees, because if this course went under it would be a real loss, IMHO.
Thanks for the info. Let us know what happens.
Doug
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Doug,
Don't be shocked you have understand the personal situation behind the reasoning for P.B. Dye to want to sell this course in this down economy. I am glad to hear you enjoy playing the course and please pass along to anyone who is interested so they can contact me.
This is a great opportunity for an owner operator club pro that would like to have their own facility that can market the course to players during the golf season. This course is a good track with some nice holes and it is being maintained annually at a cost of $260k.
I am going to post the course on eBay this weekend.
Matt
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So I am clear on this, Matt... Are you one of the investors behind Rarity Mtn., or their mktg guy?
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Jason,
I am trying to understand my role with Rarity Mountain and this thread related to selling Buck Point Golf Club. The only thing these two courses have in common is the Dye name.
So where are you coming from and the point of your question.
Matt
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A hard working frugal mechanic'in super should consider this.
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Jason,
I am trying to understand my role with Rarity Mountain and this thread related to selling Buck Point Golf Club. The only thing these two courses have in common is the Dye name.
So where are you coming from and the point of your question.
Matt
Rarity Mountain and Buck Point have one other name in common: yours.
Because you've always used "we" when referring to Rarity Mtn., I assumed you were one of the owners. (Though I realize now that if you were one of the owners, you probably would have just told me that in your msg above.)
Anyway, you now show an "activstrategy.com" email address. Makes sense, given that guests here can't message you to ask about Buck Point.
That domain represents a consulting/marketing company that does work for Rarity Communities. If it is your job/ contract/ commission to promote RM (or BP), I think that's a relationship you should have made more clear. So I am asking you to declare any interest in either or both, just as Jim Thompson did (on page one of the "Who Are You Guys... Really" thread) regarding his (then-)relationship to Angels Crossing as an owner/investor. Or take Mike Vegis as another example.
If you've detailed all this before this week (beyond a generic "we") in a post I couldn't find, then...
I am in the wrong
I hereby apologize to you right now, and
I will edit my posts on this thread accordingly, after an appropriate amount of time to display this public apology.
And if you haven't declared an interest before but want to do so now (say, edit your first post here), then no apology, but I will gladly remove my posts on this thread ASAP.
UPDATE: Matt, I looked and tried a dozen different searches. Everything I found was simply "we're" doing XYZ at RM. Since any user has access to his own posts, please point me in the right direction. (Or add the info here - heaven forbid anyone repeat himself on this DG!) I am pretty certain you've never mentioned BP before, so that disclosure can still go here.
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Jason,
Please take the time to read some threads on GCA.
Then you can edit your posts with regard to me, Buck Point and Rarity Mountain.
Matt
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Matt,
I thought I read somewhere maybe on this site that P.B. Dye was the owner of the course and even owned a home on it. I thought he also wanted to retire and live here. I have played the course and it is a lot of fun.
Chris
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Matt,
I've seen most of your posts about Rarity and had the opportunity to meet you and talk some during the attempted outing at Holston Hills. I'm not really clear on your role at Rarity, though.
I agree with Jason that if you are going to post a "for sale ad" on GCA, you should make clear your interest in the venture.
This is nothing personal. I just think full disclosure is appropriate.
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Matt,
What authority do you have to post the course for sale on ebay this weekend?
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Jason,
Please take the time to read some threads on GCA.
Then you can edit your posts with regard to me, Buck Point and Rarity Mountain.
Matt
It's kind of sketchy why someone asks you point blank what you do and your relationship with these places are and you still dodge around the answer.
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Guys,
I am not dodging your questions I am just busy as hell today working on some projects that need to get done this month. Let me clarify a couple things -
1. I work closely with the founder of Rarity Communities for corporate development, technology and strategic partnerships. I hope this clears up anything in doubt.
2. I have many personal relatioships in the golf industry and one of those is with P.B. Dye.
3. I am licensed real estate professional in addition to be a business strategy consultant.
4. I can post whatever I want on eBay or GCA when the managing partner wants me to handle the communication between anyone that would be interested in this opportunity.
The last time I looked around GCA was not a classifieds website it was a discussion forum and I have seen hundreds of threads over the years about could we build a golf course for a couple million. Well let me tell you if you want to buy a course for well under that number this is your chance and it is designed by P.B. Dye. We will sell the course its just a matter of time and I was giving all you golf nuts a heads up first.
As far as Rarity Mountain goes and hosting an event for GCA guys - this event just got a lot smaller after seeing some true colors. I have nice short list of people that I have met on this forum that will enjoy playing the course and meeting the Dye's the day of the event.
Matt
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Matt,
You're not exactly pouring oil on troubled waters by posting yet another non-answer to the question then appending a blanket insult on the folks you claim to be trying to reach. If you are not deliberately obscuring your stake in this deal then you have the worst communications skills of anyone in your line of work I've ever seen. You're getting the worst of both worlds, nothing in your dissembling inspires confidence that you're speaking with authority yet it also does nothing to dissuade the notion that you are in fact working from some vague brief on behalf of the owners rather than being Just Another Golf Nut on the forum.
And finally, the purpose of this forum is not up for re-definition by some guy trying to work a real-estate deal. Sorry.
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I am done guys you all are way too serious really about this forum.
Not once on this forum have I asked anybody to buy anything from me on a real estate deal this was giving you all a heads up nothing more. I am doing a favor for a personal friend and if any of you understood the situation you would back off. Your pretty damn tough via a forum I would love to see you say it to my face in person anytime your ready.
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Your pretty damn tough via a forum I would love to see you say it to my face in person anytime your ready.
How big of a boy are you?
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Your pretty damn tough via a forum I would love to see you say it to my face in person anytime your ready.
How big of a boy are you?
Well, he didn't say he was a big boy. But he's close personal friends with several big boys and just thought we might like a heads-up that they would be able to kick our ass.
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6'4" 255 lbs workout everyday
Man-to-man sometimes a bloody nose and an ass whipping is the only way to settle something like this when you have someone that wants to call you out on the forum.
Anthony how big a boy are you and where do you live?
I live in Knoxville, Tennessee and I will give you my home address or better yet come to my gym where we have kickboxing rings setup so we can beat on each other until somebody falls down.
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I wonder if anyone on the internet ever admitted to being 150lb, 5'7" with a paunch.
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6'4" 255 lbs workout everyday
Man-to-man sometimes a bloody nose and an ass whipping is the only way to settle something like this when you have someone that wants to call you out on the forum.
Anthony how big a boy are you and where do you live?
I live in Knoxville, Tennessee and I will give you my home address or better yet come to my gym where we have kickboxing rings setup so we can beat on each other until somebody falls down.
This is ridiculous.
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6'4" 255 lbs workout everyday
Man-to-man sometimes a bloody nose and an ass whipping is the only way to settle something like this when you have someone that wants to call you out on the forum.
Anthony how big a boy are you and where do you live?
I live in Knoxville, Tennessee and I will give you my home address or better yet come to my gym where we have kickboxing rings setup so we can beat on each other until somebody falls down.
6' 4'' 255....PERFECT....... I need a good workout.... What is the address of your mom's house?
Anthony
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Watch out Antone.
(http://www.gottagotobet.com/content/images/stories/fat%20golfer.jpg)
At the Holston outing in December
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Anthony,
Where do you live?
I will invite my mom she will come and watch us so that when I am done beating on you she can take care of you and give you some apple pie or newport grape to control the swelling.
Guys tell me that when I hit them really hard it feels like being struck by lightning it tingles all the way down to their knees as they are falling down. Can't wait for us to get together!
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I wonder if anyone on the internet ever admitted to being 150lb, 5'7" with a paunch.
God, if I weighed 150 I would gladly brag about it on the Internet!
As for the rest, this thread has graduated from Train Wreck to Truly Bizarre. I'm starting to think we've all been Punk'd...
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This thread went from one of business intrigue to one of people watching for sport.
I'll be good after another beer or 2......meanwhile, keep the ol' chest puffed out, boys.....
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Guys tell me that when I hit them really hard it feels like being struck by lightning it tingles all the way down to their knees as they are falling down. Can't wait for us to get together!
Is "hit" a code word for something else?
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Watch out Antone.
(http://www.gottagotobet.com/content/images/stories/fat%20golfer.jpg)
At the Holston outing in December
Matt,
I would love to kickbox with you but I don't trhink I could get my foot back out of your navel. I hear the workers at your course ride to work in your belly button.
Anthony
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Back to business here! Will you take 225k for the course?
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Back to business here! Will you take 225k for the course?
I bid $225.1
BTW I have no dog in any of this fight, but man I have to say... Anthony that last one absolutely cracked me up.
;D
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This is ridiculous!
I could not agree more Jordan now lets get back to the point of how this all started. I simply post something about a friend of mine P.B. Dye who wants to sell a golf course for $600k nothing more just a heads up because we are going to post it out on the internet.
Then the train wreck starts with the personal attacks on me so I took it down a path with a little touch of Tennessee redneck class and it got really bizarre. I really am 6'4" 255 and you would want me in your corner if we were out having some drinks and somebody wanted to start a fight. Now I am laughing thinking about me and Anthony really fighting at my gym.
That picture is not me at Holston let me take a picture of my fist and I will send it to you so you can remember it after I use them to knock you out!
Somebody please delete this thread.
Matt
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Back to business here! Will you take 225k for the course?
I bid $225.1
BTW I have no dog in any of this fight, but man I have to say... Anthony that last one absolutely cracked me up.
;D
Tom,
Post #24, had me laughing out loud.
The only question now is how long till this post gets deleted.
Chris
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Guys,
I am getting e-mail messages now from people on the forum who really think I am serious and I am going to ruin my reputation professionally. This forum will not damage my career I can assure you of that it has no bearing whatsoever on my success.
I am a highly educated big ol'boy from Tennessee that truly loves golf course design and construction. GCA is a fun outlet but, I now have found that it is also a great place to meet guys like Anthony that are interested in kickboxing and fighting at my local gym.
This has been a good end to the day so I can laugh driving home!
Matt
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Back to business here! Will you take 225k for the course?
I bid $225.1
BTW I have no dog in any of this fight, but man I have to say... Anthony that last one absolutely cracked me up.
;D
Tom,
Post #24, had me laughing out loud.
The only question now is how long till this post gets deleted.
Chris
Chris - fully agreed - remiss not to mention that also. AG is scoring major comedy points here.
But yes, I would guess the shelf life for this thread is not long. That is IF Ran or Ben are paying attention these days. Here's a test:
RAN I WOULD HAVE KICKED YOUR ASS AT SAND HILLS HAD YOU NOT GIRLISHLY DEMANDED NINE SHOTS.
;D
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Hey Matt................Nice tits............
Anthony
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Guys,
I am getting e-mail messages now from people on the forum who really think I am serious and I am going to ruin my reputation professionally. This forum will not damage my career I can assure you of that it has no bearing whatsoever on my success.
I am a highly educated big ol'boy from Tennessee that truly loves golf course design and construction. GCA is a fun outlet but, I now have found that it is also a great place to meet guys like Anthony that are interested in kickboxing and fighting at my local gym.
This has been a good end to the day so I can laugh driving home!
Matt
The pleasure has been all ours. Really.
Joe
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Must admit I never saw the thread going here :o :D , but I'll let Matt have the last word.
(I don't think my elision changes his intent.)
The last time I looked around GCA was not a classifieds website it was a discussion forum...
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I am a highly educated big ol'boy from Tennessee
Matt
Highly educated from TN??????
In TN they don't even have sex ed or even drivers ed................ALL the mules died.
Anthony
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Tom,
Nice - always good to see if what we post is being read!! ;D
Jason,
I can not remember a thread ever going this way.
Chris
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Anthony,
This has been fun I can't wait for spring so we can get together and play golf soon!
I don't want to see another thread on GCA about building a golf course for $1M again.
Owning a golf course is a dream for many golfers and I simply was doing a favor for a personal friend of mine posting it to people that would be interested. You can imagine my surprise by the responses to this thread today from a few members on the discussion forum.
White Flag!
Matt
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Anthony-
That crack about riding to work in a belly button had me laughing...well done.
Matt-
I don't think anyone was really insulting you, just questioning your motives. I think it's kinda neat when people post golf courses for sale (I understand that they represent lots of emotional baggage for many owners and operators) and I like thinking how cool it would be to own and run a golf course. However when you post stuff as a semi-classified it would be best to clearly state your relationship with the project...I don't think that is hard or uncalled for.
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When you question someone's motives, you are insulting him. In person, people know this; online is another story. I don't see where Matt did anything terrible by bringing up an opportunity that MANY have discussed on here. I think he is owed an apology by many folks.
Someday people will realize that envy is right up there with greed on the seven deadly sins list...
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There are a lot of OT topics on this forum that go on for days (guilty as charged)
I personally find references to golf courses for sale a great barometer of the industry and enjoy such posts.
When every post is about architecture we can all throw stones at less than perfect threads ::)
man this got bizarre quickly :-X
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When you question someone's motives, you are insulting him. In person, people know this; online is another story. I don't see where Matt did anything terrible by bringing up an opportunity that MANY have discussed on here. I think he is owed an apology by many folks.
Someday people will realize that envy is right up there with greed on the seven deadly sins list...
I agree that questioning motives is wrong, but open communication is never a bad thing. I wouldn't care if he had said in the first post "My friend and business partner wants to sell a golf course...interested." Cool, rock on, I was just saying it was wierd how, after asked point blank, dodged the question. Mearly pointing it out. I'm irish and Lord knows my people have been know to fight, but hopefully over more important things than a golf course in southern Indiana! :)
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I, too, favor open communication, but Matt simply listed an opportunity, he didn't come out swinging. When first questioned, he answered in a perfectly reasonable, mild mannered fashion. Anyone wishing further info should pick up the phone or contact him directly.
It is a real shame when folks on this site don't trust each other enough to simply read something and take it at face value. The need to dissect everything, to question each motive, to delve deeper and deeper into folks' personal lives, on a golf course architecture discussion site, surely must be one of the signs of the coming apocalypse.
I've never met Matt, but even if he were 5'7, 150, I'd be happy to share a beer with him.
Lighten up, folks. As one of my best clients says, chill out, man, have a beer.
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George you are a SERIOUS party-pooper. Of course you are correct, but man you are squelching some of the best comedy this site has ever seen.
To that end, this thread simply MUST be saved for posterity.
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Unfortunately one of the biggest flaws of the web is that things like this tend to lead to posters leaving the site, particularly industry posters. Joking around is one thing, but it bothers me to see old threads dug up and a bunch of former posters, now guests.
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For the love of god...if there actually is one... this thread needs to stay. I was laughing out loud for most of the way thru.
Trying to form a visual image of Anthony getting pummeled to a knob, by a corn-fed, back woods Tennessean is just to much to resist for a fun mental exercise. Hey I'd get in the ring and throw a few punches around. I'm a bigger guy than Matt so maybe I could land a haymaker or two with effectiveness.
Woot!!! The forum is getting that much closer to Tom Pauls vision of a Saturday night ballroom brawl when everyone is in a drunken stupor and just shouting out the 1st damndest thing that comes to thier mind.
Ran I beg of you, please don't delete this thread, it may be one of GCA.com best ever!! ;D
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I, too, favor open communication, but Matt simply listed an opportunity, he didn't come out swinging. When first questioned, he answered in a perfectly reasonable, mild mannered fashion. Anyone wishing further info should pick up the phone or contact him directly.
It is a real shame when folks on this site don't trust each other enough to simply read something and take it at face value. The need to dissect everything, to question each motive, to delve deeper and deeper into folks' personal lives, on a golf course architecture discussion site, surely must be one of the signs of the coming apocalypse.
I've never met Matt, but even if he were 5'7, 150, I'd be happy to share a beer with him.
Lighten up, folks. As one of my best clients says, chill out, man, have a beer.
George-
I really didn't think I was the one who put Matt over the edge, nor to I ever want to fight him. I was just saying that if he or anyone else has a significant stake in a course, and posts something about it, they could and maybe should let everyone know upfront. If they choose not to it really wouldn't matter to me either.
So, is GCA.com going to dip into it's endowment to buy this course or what???? Just kidding!
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Unfortunately one of the biggest flaws of the web is that things like this tend to lead to posters leaving the site, particularly industry posters. Joking around is one thing, but it bothers me to see old threads dug up and a bunch of former posters, now guests.
George: as a great man said, lighten up, have a beer.
;D
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I, too, favor open communication, but Matt simply listed an opportunity, he didn't come out swinging. When first questioned, he answered in a perfectly reasonable, mild mannered fashion. Anyone wishing further info should pick up the phone or contact him directly.
It is a real shame when folks on this site don't trust each other enough to simply read something and take it at face value. The need to dissect everything, to question each motive, to delve deeper and deeper into folks' personal lives, on a golf course architecture discussion site, surely must be one of the signs of the coming apocalypse.
I've never met Matt, but even if he were 5'7, 150, I'd be happy to share a beer with him.
Lighten up, folks. As one of my best clients says, chill out, man, have a beer.
George-
I really didn't think I was the one who put Matt over the edge, nor to I ever want to fight him. I was just saying that if he or anyone else has a significant stake in a course, and posts something about it, they could and maybe should let everyone know upfront. If they choose not to it really wouldn't matter to me either.
So, is GCA.com going to dip into it's endowment to buy this course or what???? Just kidding!
Pat, I'm not calling you out. It's not any one person, it's the whole site. I don't see the need for some sort of blanket disclosure to each post or each thread.
"Hi, I'm George Pazin, I'm not a member of any private clubs, I don't own any courses, I'm considered a right wing nutcase by the lefties on this site, a libertarian nutcase by many people close to me, I'm a mediocre golfer who doesn't struggle to keep up, I prefer to carry, but will ride if forced, I can provide clean blood or urine tests if so desired..."
We are going to sound like one of those ridiculous disclaimers at the end of every commercial on the radio.
Huck's right, chill out, man, have a beer. :)
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I, too, favor open communication, but Matt simply listed an opportunity, he didn't come out swinging. When first questioned, he answered in a perfectly reasonable, mild mannered fashion. Anyone wishing further info should pick up the phone or contact him directly.
It is a real shame when folks on this site don't trust each other enough to simply read something and take it at face value. The need to dissect everything, to question each motive, to delve deeper and deeper into folks' personal lives, on a golf course architecture discussion site, surely must be one of the signs of the coming apocalypse.
I've never met Matt, but even if he were 5'7, 150, I'd be happy to share a beer with him.
Lighten up, folks. As one of my best clients says, chill out, man, have a beer.
George-
I really didn't think I was the one who put Matt over the edge, nor to I ever want to fight him. I was just saying that if he or anyone else has a significant stake in a course, and posts something about it, they could and maybe should let everyone know upfront. If they choose not to it really wouldn't matter to me either.
So, is GCA.com going to dip into it's endowment to buy this course or what???? Just kidding!
Pat, I'm not calling you out. It's not any one person, it's the whole site. I don't see the need for some sort of blanket disclosure to each post or each thread.
"Hi, I'm George Pazin, I'm not a member of any private clubs, I don't own any courses, I'm considered a right wing nutcase by the lefties on this site, a libertarian nutcase by many people close to me, I'm a mediocre golfer who doesn't struggle to keep up, I prefer to carry, but will ride if forced, I can provide clean blood or urine tests if so desired..."
We are going to sound like one of those ridiculous disclaimers at the end of every commercial on the radio.
Huck's right, chill out, man, have a beer. :)
I'm chill! :)
I'm just trying to have a discussion, that's all.
It's kind of like Will Ferrell in Old School = "EVERYONE KEEP YOUR COMPOSURE OUT THERE, STAY CALM!!!!!!!!" ;D
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I really didn't think I was the one who put Matt over the edge, nor to I ever want to fight him.
Golf architecture hooligans!
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I don't see the need for some sort of blanket disclosure to each post or each thread.
George, I don't think anyone here is advocating a disclaimer with every post/thread.
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all I can say is....
wow....
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I just looked in on this one while trying to pass some time as a blizzard rages. What a hoot! ;D
I think it is very instructive to have information posted on these sort of golf course 'for sales' by any GCA'er who has any inside knowledge of the issue, even if there is a 'relationship' to the sale or seller. It doesn't offend me in the least. I think it would be interesting if more of these situations of a 'firesale' on a particular course of interesting design, and obviously well below a price that one could even dream it would cost if building it from scratch. It is a sign of the times, and I'm thinking a whole lot more 'firesale' courses will be coming up.
I think Anthony and Matt should be at the next GCA event, and make them both wear one of those rubber blown up 'sumo wrestler' body suits and let them have at it until they both get so tired that we don't let them out of the ring until they both agree to buy the house a drink. ;D 8)
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I don't think it was uncalled for to ask Matt to disclose his involvement with Buck Point. (Perhaps an off-line message would have been more appropriate though)
We know he's involved with Rarity in some capactiy--and he explained his role in this thread, when asked.
Rarity involvement + Buck Point involvement + questionable 'domain name-scooping' business (learned from 'Renassaince' thread), = possible need for disclosure.
I could be wrong though.
....I'm ready for some Gracie School of Brazilian Jiu Jitzsu fighting! Maybe we can set it up at Cobbs Creek. Though I'd feel much safer there packing some heat.
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I hereby nominate this for consideration for Thread of the Year voting!
Am I too early?
On topic: believe it or not I am seeing better deals in better markets than that described in the original post.
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I hereby nominate this for consideration for Thread of the Year voting!
Am I too early?
On topic: believe it or not I am seeing better deals in better markets than that described in the original post.
Such as?
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Guys,
Just to clarify a few things -
I don't have any equity ownership in Buck Point Golf CLub it is owned by P.B. Dye and we are friends so he asked me to make it public so interested parties could come forward and contact me directly to get additional information.
People in general and I won't single anyone out on this thread just like to dig and dig and keep on digging trying to get as much information as possible in an open forum. I was more than willing to disclose confidential information privately to anyone interested and some interested parties have come forward from this post on GCA.
Go back and look at the threads on GCA that are related to financial hardships or busted development plans in the news. The Buck Point Golf Club was designed and constructed by P.B. Dye (I think that has some architectural merit related to this forum). I have even soe threads in the past that mentioned Buck Point so I felt it was relevant. I didn't create an MLS real estate listing on GCA only mentioned a name and price point and said contact me via e-mail.
Now this is all out and we have had some fun today. George Pazin and Jeff Warne you guys ever need anything like handing out an ass whipping to someone that crossed you, I am your man just let me know and I got your back. Anthony and I were playing and its a Tennessee thing between all of us that bonded around HH Ice Bowl watching snowfall and drinking moonshine when we wanted to play golf.
Kalen sounds like a big'ol boy even bigger than me so this would be one hell of a good fight between us. No need for sumo wrestler costumes in Tennessee we use washcloths and duct tape for boxing gloves to just pound each other until someone falls to the ground.
Matt
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If we'd had an hour and a half head start, Anthony and I were heading to K-town tonight to buy our boy Matt some tequila shots at Toddy's then head over to his office to watch him post on here what he REALLY thinks!! ;D
Man I wish we all (all of us at GCA) lived around the corner from each other and had a bar and a golf course we called home. (sorry, not in Liberty, Indiana.) ;) Tonight would be a fun night for sure.
George, your posts made me call your office tonight - I'm a big fan, especially today.
Thanks,
Eric
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Matt;
Now all joking aside I wish those here who dream of a GCA course could take a look at Buck Point. I think some potential exists there.
I think they would love the greensite at #10, the fun little short par-4 #14, and what they might make of the par-3 #16.
The front nine has some interesting holes, such as #4, but is weaker. I still think it has some good basic potential.
Doug
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Such as?
Pat,
I've looked at about 40 courses in the last 2 months. I've written two lengthy posts about this but both times hit the back button because of the somewhat sensitive nature of the topic. I'll try to find time tomorrow to write about this subject in general terms. There are two deals that I'm getting very close to completing and if/when those close I'll try to figure out a way to illustrate in this public forum.
Wow, I almost hit the back button again. :P
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Matt,
Like Doug I am very interested in what eventually happens with Buck Point for several reasons. I thought this course was a diamond in the rough when I saw it. If someone can get this course for 600K, they have a great opportunity.
They could leave the course as is with the possible exception of the seventh hole and just improve the conditioning and it would be a solid stop on any trip in Indiana. When accompanied with the other activities, it makes for a perfect family get away for a weekend.
This is perhaps the best opportunity for this group to do that thing they always talk about doing. If the people on here who are always talking about this don't jump on it, then I personally don't want to ever see that thread pop up again because this is it people.
Man I wish I could find some way to buy it.
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I actually did a write up of this course last year. Fun little course. Wish it were a much closer drive than it is for me currently. Hope everything nets out well as this course was finally starting to grow in.
I agree with Chris. Package this with a little boating on Brookville Lake and you have yourself a nice little trip.
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Peter,
Post those threads if it pertains to golf, design, architecture and it can be centered economic value fo the courses for the money I don't see the problem. Say what is on your mind that is the purpose of these forum threads.
Golf Club Atlas - Anything pertaining to golf / design / architecture worldwide
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Chris,
Think about this central location just outside Cincinnati
No Debt
$100 land lease renewal for 50 years
Equipment assets included not leased
Irrigation from Brookville Lake
I will talk to P.B. about design renovations working with GCA and last but bot least 300 members at $2k each we would own it outright no dues. Let the public play and market the hell out of it in the tri-state area while members play for cart fees only. Let me talk to P.B. to see if he would consider owner financing a note on this deal.
I live in Tennessee who runs the course daily and maintains conditioning?
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Anthony, Haven't I seen this movie before? Didn't Herbie the dentist just pull all of the abominable snowmans teeth and it was all over? ;D I can help slick some teeth if you need some help!
Jack D.M.D.
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Such as?
Pat,
I've looked at about 40 courses in the last 2 months. I've written two lengthy posts about this but both times hit the back button because of the somewhat sensitive nature of the topic. I'll try to find time tomorrow to write about this subject in general terms. There are two deals that I'm getting very close to completing and if/when those close I'll try to figure out a way to illustrate in this public forum.
Wow, I almost hit the back button again. :P
Sounds cool Peter...the more info the better! ;D
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6' 4" I didn't know they stacked it so high. How much would Matt Varney get if Buck Point sold on this site? At least 10%. I could give a buck about 6' 4'' 255. I will believe it when I see it. The real question is how many migrant workers can you fit in your belly button. Why doesn't Matt start a thread trying to sell lots at Greg Norman's TN National near Knoxville. He is probaly best buddies with him. The next thing you know he will be Tom Doak's shaper.
Anthony
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Oh no, and just when things were starting to get nice and friendly again. Stand back from your computer screens!!!
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Anthony,
That last post seemed like a lot of work just to try to prod ol' abs of steel Matt. You might want to let this fish go and go after another one.
Just a little advice from your buddy,
Joe
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Anthony,
your funny I don't have any commission agreements signed with P.B. to sell Buck Point. Like I said guys he is close personal friend and he asked me to make spread the word. With regard to TN National I have very clear picture of what is going on at their project as well as many others in our region TN/GA/SC/NC. I am licensed to sell real estate but, please I am not some guy trying to sell anything to anybody. If your going to sell real estate for any development company regardless who it is you need to be licensed its the law.
I won't get into the details but look at this website www.tn4half.com
The story behind this is kind of interesting but, I am not going to tell that story. That is for someone else to tell about TN National. I don't want to work with Tom Doak I would just drive him crazy wanting to create some wild and raw looking courses (one for sure would be in TN). I will be very happy looking at his courses in magazines and playing them.
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My belly button depth is 1/3" and my chest pecs are defined still v-shaped at 36.
I love the Hey Matt..... Nice Tits that is a classic....... Phil jab from Steve Williams
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My belly button depth is 1/3" and my chest pecs are defined still v-shaped at 36.
I love the Hey Matt..... Nice Tits that is a classic....... Phil jab from Steve Williams
eek.
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I, too, favor open communication, but Matt simply listed an opportunity, he didn't come out swinging. When first questioned, he answered in a perfectly reasonable, mild mannered fashion. Anyone wishing further info should pick up the phone or contact him directly.
It is a real shame when folks on this site don't trust each other enough to simply read something and take it at face value. The need to dissect everything, to question each motive, to delve deeper and deeper into folks' personal lives, on a golf course architecture discussion site, surely must be one of the signs of the coming apocalypse.
I've never met Matt, but even if he were 5'7, 150, I'd be happy to share a beer with him.
Lighten up, folks. As one of my best clients says, chill out, man, have a beer.
George-
I really didn't think I was the one who put Matt over the edge, nor to I ever want to fight him. I was just saying that if he or anyone else has a significant stake in a course, and posts something about it, they could and maybe should let everyone know upfront. If they choose not to it really wouldn't matter to me either.
So, is GCA.com going to dip into it's endowment to buy this course or what???? Just kidding!
Pat, I'm not calling you out. It's not any one person, it's the whole site. I don't see the need for some sort of blanket disclosure to each post or each thread.
"Hi, I'm George Pazin, I'm not a member of any private clubs, I don't own any courses, I'm considered a right wing nutcase by the lefties on this site, a libertarian nutcase by many people close to me, I'm a mediocre golfer who doesn't struggle to keep up, I prefer to carry, but will ride if forced, I can provide clean blood or urine tests if so desired..."
We are going to sound like one of those ridiculous disclaimers at the end of every commercial on the radio.
Huck's right, chill out, man, have a beer. :)
George,
I could not agree more. I though early on some posts were leaning towards being combative towards Matt whom I do not know at all. I took the post as him giving people on this site as a heads up about a course that will be on the market soon. I 100% agree sometimes we just need to RELAX.
Chris
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As far as Rarity Mountain goes and hosting an event for GCA guys - this event just got a lot smaller after seeing some true colors. I have nice short list of people that I have met on this forum that will enjoy playing the course and meeting the Dye's the day of the event.
Now I'll never know what flavor moonshine Pete Dye prefers. ???
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For some reason I feel compelled to weigh in and point out that not all Hillbillies are morons and that neither Anthony Gray nor Matt Varney has Hillbilly Tour status.
Also, for the uneducated, when Anthony asked Matt "how big an ole boy are you?" he was quoting the great Southern prankster Roy D. Mercer - not calling Matt out.
(http://www.yourmusic.com/images/200x200/1/3/1/131844.jpg)
Mike
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As far as Rarity Mountain goes and hosting an event for GCA guys - this event just got a lot smaller after seeing some true colors. I have nice short list of people that I have met on this forum that will enjoy playing the course and meeting the Dye's the day of the event.
Now I'll never know what flavor moonshine Pete Dye prefers. ???
John,
I think you're still on the list....Just don't ask Jethro (Matt Varney) why Pete Dye likes to put a green in the middle of a cement pond.
Anthony
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Michael,
Why I outta put a popknot on yer head big enough for a calf to suck on. ;D
Be careful or I'll Ibe on you like a cockroach on a HoneyBun!
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Guys,
Can I post a link to audio tracks on this thread?
If I can you all are going to laugh your ass off if I upload a few things. Yesterday on this thread will be nothing compared to the Roy Damn Mercer tracks I upload.
Jethro
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I, too, favor open communication, but Matt simply listed an opportunity, he didn't come out swinging. When first questioned, he answered in a perfectly reasonable, mild mannered fashion. Anyone wishing further info should pick up the phone or contact him directly.
It is a real shame when folks on this site don't trust each other enough to simply read something and take it at face value. The need to dissect everything, to question each motive, to delve deeper and deeper into folks' personal lives, on a golf course architecture discussion site, surely must be one of the signs of the coming apocalypse.
I've never met Matt, but even if he were 5'7, 150, I'd be happy to share a beer with him.
Lighten up, folks. As one of my best clients says, chill out, man, have a beer.
George-
I really didn't think I was the one who put Matt over the edge, nor to I ever want to fight him. I was just saying that if he or anyone else has a significant stake in a course, and posts something about it, they could and maybe should let everyone know upfront. If they choose not to it really wouldn't matter to me either.
So, is GCA.com going to dip into it's endowment to buy this course or what???? Just kidding!
Pat, I'm not calling you out. It's not any one person, it's the whole site. I don't see the need for some sort of blanket disclosure to each post or each thread.
"Hi, I'm George Pazin, I'm not a member of any private clubs, I don't own any courses, I'm considered a right wing nutcase by the lefties on this site, a libertarian nutcase by many people close to me, I'm a mediocre golfer who doesn't struggle to keep up, I prefer to carry, but will ride if forced, I can provide clean blood or urine tests if so desired..."
We are going to sound like one of those ridiculous disclaimers at the end of every commercial on the radio.
Huck's right, chill out, man, have a beer. :)
George,
I could not agree more. I though early on some posts were leaning towards being combative towards Matt whom I do not know at all. I took the post as him giving people on this site as a heads up about a course that will be on the market soon. I 100% agree sometimes we just need to RELAX.
Chris
When people start attacking you, the hardest thing to be is NOT defensive. The second hardest thing to be is NOT offensive.
When you can master these two skills you might get to be President.
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This thread was a lot better before everyone started coming on and putting context behind all the trash talk....stop it already will ya!!!
Much better to use the imagination in watching these two homies go at it Southern boy style. ;)
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Kalen
I agree totally I posted something I thought people would be interested in and got slammed openly on the forum. So I took it down the redneck path wanting to stomp a mudhole in Anthony when he asked me how big a boy are ya!
Kalen send me your e-mail address so I can something really funny.
Matt
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Good stuff Matt,
Just click on that little envelope thingee and it'll pop right up. ;D
As for these GCA.com guys, don't worry about em. Thier bark is much worse than thier bite. ;)
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Thank you Matt for posting this. A few people I know have been intrigued by this kind of opportunity recently and I have passed your message along to some of them. If you have any more information keep me in the loop.
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Abe,
Send me an e-mail to: mvarney@activstrategy.com
Kalen,
I never received your e-mail please try again I want to send you something really funny that will make you laugh.
Matt