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Title: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 11, 2007, 10:18:39 AM
In 1934 Connecticut became the first to have an aerial survey taken of the entire state. My understanding it that it was done with biplanes from a height of about 5,000 feet. Within the last the entire archive became digitized. Working with Jim Kennedy, Brett Zimmerman and Kyle Zimmerman, were tracked down photos of nearly 100 courses, including some in New York, Massachusetts and Rhode Island putting in close to 200 hours of research. Below are instructions and reference numbers to all the courses. .

While many of the courses are fantastic, the biggest surprise was probably the work of Robert Jack Ross, an engineer for the city of Hartford. The work of Devereux Emmet is also astounding, with the privately-owned Hob Nob Hill among our favorites.

If you find any errors, PLEASE EMAIL ME DIRECTLY: Apioppi@earthlink.net.

Enjoy.

Anthony

Directions:

Go to http://cslib.cdmhost.com/cdm4/aerials.php. In the upper right hand corner of the website is a search box. Plug the five-digit number of the corresponding course in and hit “search.” A thumbnail will appear, click on that and a larger version will appear, click on that to enlarge.
   One note, the architects listed for courses are those who had worked on the course up to the time of the photograph. The year a course incorporated, broke ground, or opened is not assigned.





Alexander Pope Private Course, Farmington, Unknown (NLE), 06454*
Alling Memorial Golf Course, New Haven, Robert D. Pryde, 10062
Banner Resort and CC- Moodus, Unknown, 06884
Brooklawn Country Club, Fairfield, A.W. Tillinghast, 04341
Canaan Country Club, Unknown, 08356
Candlewood Lake Club, Brookfield, Ted Farley, 07422
Canton Golf Public Golf Course, Robert Ross, (NLE) 09461
Chippanee Golf Club, Bristol, Herbert J. Lagerblade, 06231
Clinton Country Club, Unknown, 03106 (NLE)**
Country Club of Fairfield, Seth Raynor, 05491
Country Club of Farmington, Devereux Emmet, 06408, 06456, 06463
Country Club of New Canaan, Willie Park, Jr., 04764
Country Club of Waterbury, Donald Ross, 07106, 07107
D. Fairchild Wheeler, Fairfield, Robert White, 05516
East Hartford Golf Course, Unknown, 09656
East Mountain Golf Course, Waterbury, William and David Gordon, 07054
Edgewood Golf Club, Cromwell, R.J. Ross, 09207
E. Gaynor Brennan Golf Club, (FKA Hubbard Heights Country Club), Stamford, 04121
Enfield Golf Club, unknown, 07818
Ethel Walker Private Course, Simsbury, Unknown, (NLE) 09529
Fairview Country Club, Greenwich, Unknown, 04037
Fenwick Golf Course, Old Saybrook, Unknown, 02847
Golf Club of Avon, Unknown, 09478
Goodwin Park Golf Course, Hartford, Unknown, 09250
Greenwich Country Club, Seth Raynor, 03975
Grassy Hill Country Club, Orange, Unknown, 03199
Green Woods Country Club, Winsted, Unknown, (NLE) 07931
Harkness Estate Private Course, Watertown, Unknown, (NLE) 00513
Harrisville Golf Course, Woodstock, Aimee Salvas, 01185
Hartford Golf Club, West Hartford, Donald Ross/Devereux Emmet, 08949***
Highland Country Club, Middletown/Meriden, Unknown, 09333 (NLE)
Highland Golf Club, Shelton, Frank G. Gates, 03367
Hop Brook Golf Club, Naugatuck, Unknown, 07063
Hob Nob Hill, Salisbury, Deveux Emmet (NLE), 08187
Hotchkiss School, Salisbury, Seth Raynor, 08126
Hunter Golf Course, Meriden, Robert D. Pryde, 06168
Indian Hill Country Club, Newington, R.J. Ross, 09343
Innis Arden Club, Old Greenwich, J. Kennedy Tod, 04125
Keney Park, Hartford, Devereux Emmet/, 09719
Lake Waramaug, Preston, Unknown, 05911
Litchfield Country Club, Unknown, 07585
Longshore Golf Club, Orrin Smith, 05314
Louis Stoner Private Course, West Hartford, Orrin Smith, 09897 (NLE)
Madison Country Club, Willie Park, Jr., 04447
Manchester Country Club, Tom Bendelow, 06942
Mill River Country Club, Stratford, Thomas Winton, 03400
New Haven Country Club, Willie Park, Jr., 04926
New London Country Club, Waterford, Charlie Brooks, 00209
Newtown Country Club, Unknown, 03761
Norfolk Country Club, Unknown, 09794
Norwich Golf Course, Alfred Tull, 02029
Orange Hills Country Club, Orange, Robert D. Pryde, 03181
Paul Block Private Course, Greenwich, Wayne Stiles & John Van Kleek, 04042 (NLE)
Pequabuck Golf Club, Bristol, Unknown, 06229
Pine Orchard Yacht and Country Club, Branford, Robert D. Pryde, 05591
Pleasant View Golf Course, Meriden, Unknown, 06174 (NLE)
Plymouth Meadow Country Club, Windsor, Charles Henderson, 09705 (formerly Windsor Golf Club)
Quinnatisset Country Club, Thompson, Unknown, 01054
Quotonset Golf Club, Westbrook, Unkown, (NLE) 02987 (formerly Westbrook Golf Club)
Racebrook Country Club, Orange, Robert D. Pryde, 03254
Ridgewood Country Club, Danbury, Devereux Emmet, 02633
Rockledge Country Club, West Hartford, Maurice Kearney, 06145
Round Hill Club, Greenwich, Walter Travis, 04015
Salmon Creek Country Club, Granby, Orrin Smith, (NLE) 09816
Sharon Country Club, Unknown, 07279
Shennecossett Golf Course, Groton, Donald Ross, 00464
Shorehaven Golf Club, Norwalk, Robert White, 05250
Shuttle Meadow Country Club, New Britain, Willie Park, Jr., 06471 & 06469
Silver Spring Country Club, Robert White, 07175
Sleeping Giant Golf Course, Hamden, Ralph Barton, 04916
Southington Country Club, Unknown, 06384
Stanley Golf Course, New Britain, R.J. Ross, 06150
Suffield Country Club, Otis Smith, 09690
Sunset Ridge Country Club, East Hartford, Orrin Smith, 09654 (NLE)
Tamarack Country Club, Greenwich, Charles Banks, 04045
The Cedars, Lakeville, Unknown, (NLE), 08128
Torrington Country Club, Goshen, Orrin Smith, 10260
Tumble Brook Country Club, Bloomfield, Willie Park, Jr., 08970
Wallingford Country Club, Unknown, 05666
Wampanoag Country Club, West Hartford, Donald Ross, 08968
Washington Golf Club, David Johnson, 06055
Watertown Country Club, David Cornish, 07478
Wee Burn Country Club, Darien, Devereux Emmet, 04776
West Hartford Golf Club, (now known as Buena Vista Golf Course), Robert Ross, 06146
Wethersfield Country Club, Robert D. Pryde (9), Robert J. Ross (9), 09254
Willimantic Country Club, Unknown, 03657
Windsor Golf Club, Charles Henderson, 09705 (NLE)
Woodbridge Country Club, Orrin Smith, 04809
Woodstock Golf Course, Unknown, 01182
Woodway Country Club, Darien, Willie Park Jr., 04774
Yale Golf Course, New Haven, Seth Raynor, 04811


*Pope Course was six holes. Some green and tee sites visible in the photo. Property is now part of the Hill-Stead Museum.
**The current Clinton Country Club is in a different location.
***Holes south of road bisecting the course no longer exist.


MASSACHUSETTS

Longmeadow Country Club, Donald Ross, 07818

NEW YORK

Blind Brook Club, Port Chester, Seth Raynor, 04039, 04011****
Pound Ridge Country Club, Unknown, 04107
Kings Ridge Country Club, Thomas Winton, 04039*****
Quaker Hill Country Club, Pawling, Lowell Thomas (?), 05691 (NLE)

****An Unknown private course south of Blind Brook is visible in both photos
****Course is at top of photo. Blind Brook is just below.


RHODE ISLAND

Misquamicut Club, Westerly, Donald Ross, 00079





Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jim_Kennedy on November 11, 2007, 11:20:29 AM
Tony,
Thanks for inviting me to participate in the hunt, it was fun chasing these places down.

Something I've enjoyed doing since last winter's effort is comparing some of these aerials with their modern day counterparts. It's amazing how many changes have occurred on some(most) of these courses, while others(few) remain fairly intact.

Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Craig Disher on November 11, 2007, 12:46:37 PM
Tony,
That is a wonderful resource. I've been able to locate a few courses in CT at the Nat'l Archives but often I've been stymied by the incompleteness of the collection there. They don't have the 1934 survey, possibly because it was done by the state and not the Dept of Agriculture. I'm amazed at what states have done with their historical photos compared to the much-better funded Nat'l Archives. NARA hasn't taken the first step to digitize their massive collection and the negatives continue to disintegrate.

Do you know if these photos were digitized from original negatives?
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 11, 2007, 01:31:23 PM
Craig,

I believe they are from the original negatives. When I first started going there and, still, if you want to view later years, you have to go to the library, track down the photo number, put in a request, and twice a day the photos are brought out of the vault and can only be viewed wearing white gloves.

One reason I wanted to put access to these photos out is so that anyone can see them. Too much of valuable artifacts like this are being horded or hidden by "compilers" who claim to be historians.

Enjoy the collection. I hope it makes you as crazy looking at it as it did us researching it.

Anthony
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Peter Pallotta on November 11, 2007, 01:41:04 PM
Anthony -

Wow! That's really wonderful stuff. My thanks to you, Jim, Brett and Kyle.

Peter  
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 11, 2007, 01:59:59 PM
Peter,

You're welcome. Jim is partial to Hob Nob since it is up in his neighborhood and he has found some remaining features on what is now mostly homes. I love the bunkering that R.J Ross did at Edgewood.

Anthony

Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jim_Kennedy on November 11, 2007, 03:34:08 PM
Tony,
Partly 'cause it's 880 yds. from my house to what was the first green.  :'(

Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jim_Kennedy on November 11, 2007, 03:39:44 PM
....what would that be for you Tony, a driver , nine iron?  ;D
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Craig Disher on November 11, 2007, 04:02:02 PM
Tony,
I'm sure aerials of most of these aren't available at NARA. I spent a long time at NARA looking for aerials of the Yale GC and was only available to find partial views. However, the quality of photos improved dramatically over the next 10 years. The military collection at NARA - which covered strategic areas and military bases mostly - holds some very high quality photos.

Here's a photo from the 1934 collection of a green at Misquamicutt GC and a photo of the same green from the military collection taken in the 1940s.

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/cadcaddo/misq1934.jpg)

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/cadcaddo/green.jpg)
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 11, 2007, 04:27:15 PM
Craig:

I think part of the problem with the Misquamicut photo is that it is on the fringe of the picture, so there seems to be more distortion than on photos of courses from directly above.

The National Archives and Records Administration is quite the place. Do you do the searching yourself?

Anthony

Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Craig Disher on November 11, 2007, 04:38:00 PM
Craig:

I think part of the problem with the Misquamicut photo is that it is on the fringe of the picture, so there seems to be more distortion than on photos of courses from directly above.

The National Archives and Records Administration is quite the place. Do you do the searching yourself?

Anthony



The edge problem is certainly present in most of the aerials I've worked with. Fortunately the photos overlap so it's usually possible to get a centered view with little distortion.

I do the searching myself. Anyone can obtain a researcher's card and access to the original material. The retrieval process is very tedious though. My time there would have been cut by 90% if the collections were saved and stored as conveniently as the CT collection.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: JimFatsi on November 12, 2007, 10:26:33 AM
Anthony
Thank you for providing this info, I especially enjoyed looking at Seth Raynor's original CC of Fairfield layout!
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 12, 2007, 01:19:15 PM
Jim,

Also one of my favorites. Under New York, check out Blind Brook and mystery private course just to the south of it.

Anthony

Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Michael Christensen on November 12, 2007, 09:33:14 PM
just got back into town........wow......being a member at new haven this is footage I have never seen.......can see the old holes across hartford tpke!

being from CT I will be on this site for hours!  
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Mike_Cirba on November 12, 2007, 09:35:09 PM
Tony,

This is tremendous.   As someone who loves to research this stuff, the rapidly increasing amount of vintage materials becoming available at the press of a button is incredibly exciting!

Thanks very much for sharing your sources with us.

Mike
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 13, 2007, 12:37:18 AM
Mike,

Michael,

I'm glad to know you will be spending hours on this site as we did the same compiling it. Some of the courses are truly amazing. Enjoy.

Mike,

It was our pleasure to provide this information. I realize that most people who visit this site don't give a rat's ass about this sort of information, but the for those that truly love architecture - me included - this is a goldmine.

Anthony

Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Eric Morrison on November 13, 2007, 06:48:15 AM
Great info! I have used the aerial photo of Shenny numerous times, and I look forward to checking out other courses in the state.
Thanks guys for compiling the info!
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 13, 2007, 10:36:47 AM
Eric,

Glad our little research project is helping you out. The photos of your course are very cool.

Anthony
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: JimFatsi on November 13, 2007, 10:50:11 AM
Anthony
Another course found in NY - slide 04040 is Old Oaks CC.

The mistory course below Blind Brook slide 04039, appears to be 9 holes, but I could only make out 6 greens.

Familiar enough with Blind Brook - little has changed from 1934. a couple of bunker changes, otherwise it is what it is today.  

Kings Ridge -slide 04039 (aka Purchase Golf Course, aka present day 9 holer Doral) is not impressive as an 18 holer.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 13, 2007, 12:30:23 PM
Thanks to Eric Morrison, Norwich Country Club architect now reads "Donald Ross."

Jim

Thanks for that info. Any idea who designed Old Oaks and what town it sits?

The course below Blind Brook appears to be 6 holes. I've been in touch with the superintendent at Blind Brook and was not aware there was another course nearby. He could find no one at the club who knew anything about it.

Anthony
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: SPDB on November 13, 2007, 01:52:35 PM
Tony:
Old Oaks in Purchase, NY was designed by Tillinghast. It was originally a 27 hole layout , but 9 holes were claimed by I-684. I can't seem to be able to manipulate the search function, but it would be neat if we could move just a little west to see if we could peer in on the lost nine.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Eric Morrison on November 13, 2007, 01:57:45 PM
Alfred Tull!!! Not Donald Ross...?!
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Craig Disher on November 13, 2007, 03:13:42 PM
...
The course below Blind Brook appears to be 6 holes. I've been in touch with the superintendent at Blind Brook and was not aware there was another course nearby. He could find no one at the club who knew anything about it.

Anthony


You'll be able to see in the aerial I just emailed you that the small course was gone by 1943. It looks like the owner was a gardener rather than a golfer.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jim_Kennedy on November 13, 2007, 03:47:02 PM
SPDB,
Problem is you can't, at least not with this group of aerials.
The photos end at the border.

If, when bringing up a photo, you scroll up and click on the town that's in the "Subject-LCSH" heading you will come up with the the index page. Click on any of these and you can look at  different parts of the town.  
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jim_Kennedy on November 13, 2007, 04:07:00 PM
Tony,
I have no information on the name of the 6-holer but it's location is now a neighborhood. You can see it on any of the map sites for Rye Brook. Just look for N. Ridge St. and Country Ridge Dr., the course sat in this area.

The oldest homes look to be from the '60s.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: SPDB on November 13, 2007, 04:44:41 PM
I am also amazed at how intact Misquamicut seems to have remained. I had always thought, like so many courses throughout New England, that the back 9 had been Cornish'd, but the aerial provided seems to show a remarkable continuity allowing for minor bunker shrinkage, etc. Oddly, the 17th seems to have been most changed in shape, but I suspect that is owing to flooding, etc, in the low lying areas near the beach.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jim Sweeney on November 13, 2007, 09:21:09 PM
Really great, Anthony. When I was growing up in Middlebury my Dad was a member of CC Waterbury. Really amazing how little the course has changed from '34 to now. I never saw, however, any evidence of the bunkers left of the drive zone on #7. Neat.

Once a Nutmegger always a Nutmegger. Thanks.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 14, 2007, 12:25:25 PM
SPDB:

I believe you are correct about Misquamicut. If I remember correctly, the the low lying areas across the road were raised about 4 inches a few years back with Ron Forse doing the work and that's when 17 was changed.

Thanks to everyone who has been sending us corrections and clarifications on the courses. We're thrilled that people are enjoying taking a look at these courses.

So what the Christ do we have to do to get a thumbs-up logo next to this post?
Anthony
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: SPDB on November 14, 2007, 12:43:48 PM
 ;D
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: TEPaul on November 14, 2007, 01:14:22 PM
Tony:

This is a wonderful thing you've done here. Great resource. Thanks.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 14, 2007, 03:16:32 PM
Tom:

There are some very cool courses on this list that have long ago disappeared. I really like Edgewood and the bunkering, on what is now the site of TPC River Highlands. The routing is completely different but the pond that comes into play on the 16th and 17th holes is visible, as is the little pond in front of what is now 8 green.

Anthony
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 15, 2007, 12:56:01 PM
One of my favorite aerials is of Wee Burn, which unfortunately was changed dramatically. I've heard a story that the clubhouse was relocated forcing the change. I know that Tom Fazio was in there in recent times and took down hundreds of trees. What else did he do?
Tony

Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 19, 2007, 07:47:25 PM
Just found an aerial of a 1930 Orrin Smith 9-holer called Sunset Ridge Country Club in East Hartford. The Hartford Courant thoroughl covered the project which called for a 75 home lots and an eventual expansion of the course to 18 holes. The course probably succumbed sometime in the 1960s, but I can't be sure.

Although Smith was construction superintendent for a number of talented architects such as Willie Park, Jr., he was unimpressive on his own, however, there appears to be some thought to the bunkering on this nine.

Anthony
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 20, 2007, 02:57:17 PM
Jim Kennedy has discovered a 9-hole course in Bedford, NY - 03985 for all those playing along at home - any idea what course it is?

Anthony
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jim_Kennedy on November 20, 2007, 04:16:22 PM
Tony,
Don't forget to change the # on Sunset Ridge.  ;D

O.E. Smith built some fairly deep and steep (on several holes you're eye-level with the green) bunkers at CC of Torrington and a good set of greens, they are a treat to putt and, for the most part, offer no easy up-and-downs when missed. Ed Goodhouse, the super there for many years, keeps them true, firm, and at breakneck speeds.  
The only person who I ever heard call them 'slow' was a member from Oakmont who played at TCC in the Connecticut Amateur back in '94. I have never seen the greens play so fast before, or at anytime after this event.
I caddied for a friend who went 71-65, with a total of 8 putts on the back nine during the afternoon round. J.J. Henry was also fun to watch that day.

Anyway, given the constraints of the property, hilly and only a touch over 100 acres, I'd say OE did a right fine job all by himself.


edit: someone was in there after OE, there have been changes. Ron Forse did a MP for them recently.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Todd Howes on November 20, 2007, 08:53:32 PM
Tom:

There are some very cool courses on this list that have long ago disappeared. I really like Edgewood and the bunkering, on what is now the site of TPC River Highlands. The routing is completely different but the pond that comes into play on the 16th and 17th holes is visible, as is the little pond in front of what is now 8 green.

Anthony


First off, I'm honored to be on this site with such knowledgable golf course fanatics.  I have lived and played golf in CT all my life and can't commend Anthony enough on the job done finding all these courses.  A few things about Edgewood CC.  The road that takes a 90* angle at the NW section of the course still exists as is today.  The train tracks still sit as along the CT River today and run along the current 13th hole.  The clubhouse sits on the same ground as in 1934.  Lastly, after careful review I noticed some of the holes on the western side (left side of sat image) are very similar to the front nine holes of the TPC of Connecticut that was formed in 1982 out of the old Edgewood CC.  The holes along the road and over that little pond as well  as a couple of others were used in the "rough makeover" into TPC from Edgewood.  

TH
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Michael Christensen on November 20, 2007, 09:12:33 PM
Tony,

Sunset Ridge area East Hartford is right off I-84....I believe there was a school located in that area for many years.  That could have been the reason for the redevelopment.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: RJ_Daley on November 20, 2007, 09:21:50 PM
Some how I missed this thread til now.  A.P., Jim, Brett and Kyle, you guys really are champions of the game and its history.  Nice work!

Did you try to cross reference any of the unknown's with Stu Bendelow's book.  I see your Lictchfield by unknown has a Bendy attribute.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jim_Kennedy on November 20, 2007, 10:00:50 PM
RJ,
I haven't seen the Bendelow book, but Litchfield CC is dated at 1892 and I think this is before Bendelow's time, unless he showed up there later for remodeling work.  
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 20, 2007, 10:41:39 PM
Todd:

Welcome to the site, but you should not be honored. We're honored that you have decided to join us.

 I live in Middletown and worked at River Highlands part time mowing grass the last two summers. None of that course, known for a while as Middletown Country Club, exits today.

RJ:

What do you mean you missed this thread? We work and work and work and this this the thanks Brett, Jim, Kyle and I get?

Michael:

I'm confused. What is in the Sunset Ridge area now? Hartford Courant stories from the day refer to Kennedy Street that intersected with Silver Lane and that is gone as well.

Anthony

Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Michael Christensen on November 21, 2007, 04:54:37 PM
Tony,

I discussed this with my Mom and Dad who are in town.  She can remember a golf course off of Burnside Ave near Hillside Cemetary...at least that is what she remembers.  The course moved to its current location near the South Windsor border (East Hartford Golf Course) in 1960?

She tells me that the Sunset Ridge area of East Hartford was considered the high-end part of the town during the day...that whole area abutted Pratt and Whitney property (where the Uconn stadium is now) before I-84...Sunset Ridge school (education building) is still there.  I presume I-84 took some streets and probably some of the course when built..MC
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jim_Kennedy on November 21, 2007, 06:48:19 PM
Michael,
Sunset Ridge GC was located off Sunset Ridge Dr. and Silver Ln., about 1 1/4 mis. east of present day Rentschler Field, just west of the I-384 exit. Some of it was lost to I-84, some to housing both north and south of the highway, and some to Veteran's Memorial Park.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Steve Curry on November 21, 2007, 06:52:59 PM
Tony,

Thanks for sharing and thanks for all of your research.  

Happy Thanksgiving.

Steve
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 21, 2007, 08:04:30 PM
Michael:

Thanks for the help. I may take a ride out that way Saturday to see what if anything is left.

Tony

Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Todd Howes on November 23, 2007, 02:12:16 PM
I've finally had some time to check out many of the courses Anthony listed.  I love the bunkering of 1934!  Where did all those bunkers go?  Wampanoag CC (West Hartford) has some fascinating looking bunkers including some cool cross bunkers right in front of tees.  Also, Torrington CC has some great bunkering that no longer exists throughout the course.  Very addicting checking out all these courses.  

TH
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Michael Christensen on November 23, 2007, 02:28:48 PM
these private estate courses are most interesting....would be fascinating to see if any holes are still in existence in someone's back yard in Greenwich or West Hartford.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 23, 2007, 02:32:24 PM
Todd:

Ah the bunkering. Wampanoag was great for that. Too bad the club never saw fit to put them back.

Check out Edgewood Golf Club - TPC River Highlands is on the site now - Indian Hill, Tamarack for cool bunkering as well.

Visited Sunset Ridge today. Club was on a high hill with all the holes around it playing down or up steep inclines. Found one fairway with some other parts perhaps still remaining in deep woods.

Anthony

Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jim_Kennedy on November 23, 2007, 03:20:02 PM
Tony,
Wasn't #09705 Windsor GC? I don't see it on the list.
Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 23, 2007, 03:59:05 PM
Jim:

Thanks for the reminder. The only design of Charles Henderson is now on the list.

Anthony

Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jim_Kennedy on December 12, 2007, 03:27:56 PM
Tony,
I found out the name of the course in the hamlet of Banksville, town of Bedford, NY which can be seen at map #03985.

I had written the town and they forwarded it to their historian, one Ms. Doris Finch Watson, and here is her reply (condensed):

"You are correct about the 1930s golf course in Banksville. It was called The Westchester Women's Golf & Tennis Club. The building(clubhouse) still stands and is the oldest in Banksville, dating to 1760, and presently houses the famous LaCremaillere Restaurant. The ancient caddie house also remains and is a now a private home.
Before 1940 the name and operation changed to The Westchester Golf Club and men were participants. The property was then purchased and developed by Wm. Jackson and many homes were built in the area.  In the 60s a new golf course was developed starting at the southern end of the old course and it was called The Banksville Golf Course. It was a successful 18 hole par-3 course but it too was eventually developed into homes."


There is no indication of who built the course in her letter, but the history is interesting. I had no idea there was a women only course in our area.

 
   



   

Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on December 12, 2007, 10:17:03 PM
Jim:

Wonderful find, now I can update the list. Please relay all our thanks to Ms. Doris Finch Watson.

I can't find who designed it, can any of our talented GCA participants surmise from the aerial whose it may be?

Anthony

Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on December 12, 2007, 10:39:22 PM
From the July 15, 1928 New York Times under the headline

COUNTRY CLUB TO OPEN FOR WOMEN IN AUGUST

"A new country club for women will be opened formally early next month when the Westchester Women's Golf and Tenis club will be ready for social functions. The eighteen-hole golf course and tennis course of the club, however, will not be completed by then

The club is situated in Banksvile, N.Y. between Greenwich and Bedford, and old Colonian farmhouse having been remodelled for use as a temporary clubhouse.

Devereaux Emmet has been the architect of the golf course, several holes of which have been arragned to permit varied methods of play. Provisions have been made for horseback riding as well as tennis. Arrangement will be made later for Winter sports."

After listing the club officers and some prominent members, the last paragraph reads, "Although the administration and membership of the club will be limited to women, guest privileges are to be extended to men."


Title: Re:1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Adam Sherer on December 17, 2007, 06:24:17 PM
Is there anything covering Bonnie Briar CC, which is across the street from Winged Foot in Mamaroneck, NY?
Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Colin Sheehan on October 30, 2020, 07:41:15 AM
Anthony,
Thank you for compiling that list. I had never checked out the estate courses until relatively recently. Nor had I seen Westchester Women's and Hob Nob Hill! All very interesting.
 


I didn't see any course on the still for the Ethel Walker course. Am I missing it?


And I agree it would be interesting to find out more about the 18 hole course across the street from Blind Brook.


Thanks,
Colin
Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jeff Loh on October 30, 2020, 02:01:01 PM
Colin
Played there as a kid. Think it was called Port Chester Country Club. Don't remember much.
Except that it was a hella of lot better than the current "Doral."
Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Colin Sheehan on October 30, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
Jeff,
Thanks for that info. Do you remember the architect? Did it remain open like that?
-Colin
Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jim_Kennedy on October 30, 2020, 09:46:48 PM
Jeff,
Might have been named something other than PCCC. That course was sold in the late twenties by its members for a school/ residential development. The members of PCCC then bought land and built the Tamarack CC.
Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Colin Sheehan on October 30, 2020, 10:02:03 PM
I mis-read Anthony's first post. He had four **** for both courses above and below Blind Brook. Looks like the course across the street is Kings Ridge
Kings Ridge Country Club, Thomas Winton, 04039



And for the course to Blind Brook's south, I cross-referenced the courses from New York in the Estate Courses thread, and it might be one of these three:

De Zerega Private Course -- Unknown
White Reed Private Course (Purchase)
Stern Private Course -- Bendelow
Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jim_Kennedy on October 30, 2020, 11:02:21 PM
Here is Whitelaw Reid's Ophir Farm estate, to the west of Blind Brook, and it's part of Manhattanville College today. I believe you can see what looks like a hole or two on the grounds. 
(https://circaoldhouses.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/ophirHall.jpg)
Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Paul Rudovsky on October 31, 2020, 02:41:32 AM
I lived about a mile from Blind Brook from about 1988 to 1995 (just west of Pepsi's current HQ).  Also spent time in that area in the 1970's.   Here are some facts:


1.  Pepsi moved from Park Ave in Manhattan in about 1973ish.  The property before was a Polo Club.
2.  If you look at the land south of Blind Brook and north of The Hutchinson River Parkway, I would bet lots of $$ that the land with the smaller homes today comprised the golf course (as I recall from the 1980's all of these homes are about the same size and appear to be of about the same age.  On the western part of the land (just south of Pepsi) the land is occupied by estates of about 3-5+ acres and the homes are all older.  No way was that land part of the golf course (I have not looked at the arial photos yet...which photo numbers show that course best??).
3.  I have a good friend who are up about 2 miles away (he is about 73 years old now) and will ask him what he recalls
4.  I played the course that was the predecessor to Doral in 1971...is was 18 holes and not really worthy of note.  It became "Arrowwood" or "Doral" in the mid 1970's or 1980's I think...was bought by the Kaskel's (DORis and ALfred) who had built DORAL in Miami in the late 1950's or so.  The Kaskel's joined Quaker Ridge in about '78-'80 (I joined in '75) and I knew their son Howard a little bit...I can try to find out if he is still around and at QR...my guess is that he would be about 70-72 years old.  That son was a very good player and QR club champ at least once in the early 1980's.  I forget if Arrowwood preceded Doral or vice versa but the change from 18 to 9 was to built condos on the land as well.  One of two things...either it was changed from 18 holes to 9+ real estate as Arrowwood and then purchased later by the Kaskel's...or the Kaskel's purchased the 18 hole course and and built it as Arrowwood and changed the name to DORAL later.  The New York Times on 11/9/1986 had an article about the Kaskel's buying Arrowwood but it is not readable without sending the NYT a few bucks (which I absolutely refuse to do , so you can guess who I voted for 😆).  Anyone else interested in sending a few bucks to that former newspaper?
5.  I am not a real estate lawyer or specialist but I have a strong sense that the deed for the land that was occupied by the 6 hole course south of BB (and the the deeds for each of the smaller houses that sit there and probably built in the 60's or so) would say who owned the land through history (whether that "who" was a person, or a corporation like a club).  And that deed I think would be in the public record and findable in gov't files in Harrison, NY or Purchase, NY (Purchase is part of Harrison).


I no longer live near there but will ask old friends.


6.  The Manhattanville Campus (next to Old Oaks) was where the movie "Goodbye Columbus" was filmed in the late 1960's

Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Colin Sheehan on October 31, 2020, 09:24:11 AM
I updated my post so the text wasn't miniscule.


Here they are

De Zerega Private Course -- Unknown
Whitelaw Reed Private Course (Purchase)
Stern Private Course -- Bendelow

But Based on Jim's post we can rule out the Whitelaw Reed estate.

Paul,
I just emailed you an image of the estate.
It's a nice little six hole course.
Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Jeff Loh on October 31, 2020, 09:27:36 AM
Jim
Thanks for the info! Sounds about right.
I do have an old matchbook from Tamarack that has a Port Chester (not Greenwich) address on it so that makes sense. Wonder how/when Greenwich annexed it... ;D


Paul
Thanks for info. Might as well send that $$$ to the NY Post. Fine investigative journalism there...
Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Paul Rudovsky on November 02, 2020, 12:42:00 PM
This relates to the course seen just south of Blind Brook as well as the origins of Doral/Arrowwood...both in Purchase, NY next to the NY/CT state line.


1.  go to:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-G-W-BROMLEY-WESTCHESTER-NEW-YORK-PORT-CHESTER-COUNTRY-CLUB-ATLAS-MAP-/232255046799 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-G-W-BROMLEY-WESTCHESTER-NEW-YORK-PORT-CHESTER-COUNTRY-CLUB-ATLAS-MAP-/232255046799)


now look at:1.   estates on right hand edge…in middle is “Bush Estate”…bet lots of $$ the Walker Cup came from that plot of land
2.  then look further up on the right edge…Portchester CC (lessee), John Lyons (owner)…and Lyon’s estate sits next to Buch estate and is bigger 😆


My bet is that Porchester CC was founded around 1895-1905 and was located as marked here (which is much closer to LI Sound than Blind Brook and Doral), and later moved up to the Doral spot ( I am 75% sure the course I played in 1970 or ’71 was Portchester CC)…which was not a private club then.  And Kaskel’s bought it and converted to 9 holes in ’86. NOTE CORRECTION...heard from Kaskel's son that they purchased what was called Arrowwood in 1986 and it had been already been changed to 9 holes + condo's...so the change from 18 holes happened between 1970 and 1986.  My other sources do not recall it from its 18 hole days


And I also learned from friend who is a retired real estate attorney that deeds general list the succession of prior ownership (and lessees) so some of these old NLE courses can be determined by looking at deeds in local offices
Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: ANTHONYPIOPPI on November 02, 2020, 03:03:17 PM
Here is how you get to the aerials now


https://connecticut.maps.arcgis.com/apps/View/index.html?appid=044e8e6266aa44dc8ccc9b6e2eecacb4&extent=-74.8197,40.6374,-70.2054,42.4665


Click "I accept."


On the top left corner there looks to be an icon of three floating squares. Click on that. You'll see an index pop up on right, click on the year you want, have at it.


Peace.


Anthony
Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: V. Kmetz on November 03, 2020, 01:20:04 PM
Hi Paul (and all),


Perhaps I can clean up some of your inquiries.


1. The course NORTH of Blind Brook, across Anderson Hill Road, which is now Doral-Arrowood dates to the 1930s, was once 18 holes, had a brief experimentation with "lighted night golf," and... as best as I can tell, it has been 9 holes since between the period from the 1954 aerials to the 1960 aerials. It was called:

then...
2. The Portchester CC you have referenced in this thread was indeed much closer to downtown PC center, in what is now a long-gentrified neighborhood a bit north of PCHS and between Lyon and Crawford Parks.  I have seen a property map of this (but cannot retrieve now).  From all cursory investiagtions, though it may have been an old course dating back to the 00ughts, it seems to have been an antique, small course that was short-lived past the 20s.  I'm not aware of that club seeding any other in the area.


3.  The course/golf holes you have identified, which appear immediately south of Blind Brook, between it and the Hutch, I have always chalked up to an private estate course, with nothing further available to this point.


OTHER:
While scenes from Goodbye Columbus may have also been shot down the street at the Whitelaw Reid/Manhattanville campus, the Old Oaks clubhouse itself (most notably the pool) was indeed featured in the movie.  Confusion on that may stem from two different oligarchs named "Re(id)"... Whitelaw ReId's (older) estate is now Manhattanvile.... Old Oak's ReEd is William A. Reed, founder of a NY investment firm.  His estate mansion, originally called Hillcrest and built in 1890 is the clubhouse of Old Oaks.
Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Bret Lawrence on November 04, 2020, 08:11:13 AM
There are 1925-1926 aerials available from Westchester County.  The courses to the north and south of Blind Brook were not in the ground as of 1925-1926.  You can see the old Port Chester Country Club if you click on the dot next to today’s Port Chester High School. You can also see the old Whippoorwill course in this collection among many others.


Here’s a link.  Just click on the box for 1925-1926 and select a dot closest to the location you are trying to view.  When the box pops up, click on: “More Info” and the image will appear.


https://wcgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=5f4e1a4ac86649f9a644ae1288416ee9 (https://wcgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=5f4e1a4ac86649f9a644ae1288416ee9)





Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Colin Sheehan on November 04, 2020, 09:47:51 AM
Bret,
Thank you for the link. Is there a similar link for Nassau and Suffolk counties?




Regarding courses in the mid-20s collection.


Is that Knollwood in the process of being redesigned?


Does anyone know what the existing design attribution for Knollwood and Sunningdale in those images?


Thanks,
Colin




And what would be the design attribution to Sunningdale in that image?
Title: Re: 1934 Connecticut Aerials
Post by: Bret Lawrence on November 04, 2020, 10:04:08 AM
https://lrv.nassaucountyny.gov/map/ (https://lrv.nassaucountyny.gov/map/)


https://gis3.suffolkcountyny.gov/gisviewer/ (https://gis3.suffolkcountyny.gov/gisviewer/)


Here are the Nassau and Suffolk county aerial viewers. 


For Nassau you need to click on the Layers tab in the upper right hand corner.  When the box drops down, click on the 1926 aerial layer to the right of the screen.


For Suffolk County you will need to click on the icon that looks like 4 boxes in the upper right hand corner.  From there you can select the year.  This viewer only goes back to 1947, but Suffolk County does have records of aerials from 1929/1930.  Here is a link to that page as well. Scroll half way down the page to find this index map.


https://www.suffolkcountyny.gov/Departments/Economic-Development-and-Planning/Planning-and-Environment/Cartography-and-GIS#historic (https://www.suffolkcountyny.gov/Departments/Economic-Development-and-Planning/Planning-and-Environment/Cartography-and-GIS#historic)