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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: John Kavanaugh on November 08, 2006, 10:01:14 PM
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I recently played at a course where the pro recognized me by name because of this site. Luckily for me it was a course that I love...and love even more after that fine day. Some of my posts also explain why I will not be buying a GCA bag...I don't need the hassle of celebrity.
Someone please explain to me why people, many my friends, are allowed to post without at least using their last names and first initial.
I challenge Ran to offer a two week grace period for those who have yet to pony up and post under their real names and then either change it for them or delete. The con jobs have gone on long enough.
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John,
In the 2,452 posts that you have made (that I have read) this is the first thing that has made sense. ;D
Look..RAN ARE YOU LISTENING!!!???...this really needs to be done. It is a cowardly position that people here are not "real". I detest this aspect of GCA. It really annoys me and this is the first time I have heard a pinpointed discussion on the merits.
I hope many others contribute so we can achieve a consensus.
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I lose sleep over Barney's angst regarding names. However, for some reason I cannot change the profile back to Mike. To appease the founder of the HillbillyTour,Tommy/Ben/Moderator please do this for me.
Note: If not done by November 30th, I will comply by legally changing my name to Bogey.
Mike Hendren
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OK ....I'll bite,
my real name is not what I post under....I was born by...no, I mean my birth mother was Laotian and my father was born west of the Caucasians....we immigrated to Ireland early in my youth.
Upon coming to the states when I had just turned five, my parents decided to change my given name of Luap, to the more easily assimilated and recognizably sounding American name of Paul....and I thank them to this day.
Subsequently, when my father was trying to find another of many new jobs, he reversed our family name, which was Yelwoc, to Cowley, as he felt it sounded more acceptably American.
...and the rest, I am happy to report, is History....good stuff!
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John, after spending several occasions during Dixie Cup explaining Barney the man and the internet alter-ego. I have to admit you lost me on this one.
One of the many topics at DC06 was the state of GCA.com, and I explained how I have gone from a guy that has been here from shortly after it started, a guy that used to struggle to go more than about 3 hrs without checking in here. To now a guy that maybe checks in once a week and post sparingly. Well in addition to the fact that my life and spare time has changed over the last 4 years, I explained that I miss the days when this was just a gathering of a bunch of people that loved GCA and wanted to have some fun banter with like minded folks. Now far too many people take themselves a little too seriously around here, and this topic whenever it comes up is just another example of people being a little too uptight about stuff that they shouldnt be.
So if I am banned please someone just send me an email to let me know. Because if it was between that and legally changing my name to Tur I think I would just have to find another place to hang out.
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oh, jeez, here we go again. Barney's had a few and he's on his thing again.
I've explained this a gazillion times -- I use this name because this is what I used to use on another board and just ported it over in the first place, if for no other reason than so I wouldn't have a bunch of monickers and they'd be consistent.
Is there anyone on this board that doesn't know my name, where I live, what I do for a living, what kind of putter I use, or even what country my wife is originally from at this point?
If so, please IM me and I'll be glad to tell all ... and give you my cell phone number and home address.
I think this is much ado about nothing - at least once a guy has been here for a while and is not just some fly-by-night crackpot.
What kind of wand do you use, Shivas?
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Ok, JaKaB ;)
Nah, I totally agree with you.
People should use their real names.
It's nice because that way you at least sort of know who you are discussing golf (golf architecture) with..
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This makes sense to me with one exception. Look who started the thread.
JakaB
Barney
and Lord knows whatever else names you've used
I think to answer your question, "why don't people post under their real names?" you can begin by asking someone who doesn't.
Yourself.
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I miss Slag Bandoon.
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Use any name you want!
Just use the signature line to SIGN your work ;).
Cheers!
JT
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This makes sense to me with one exception. Look who started the thread.
JakaB
Barney
and Lord knows whatever else names you've used
I think to answer your question, "why don't people post under their real names?" you can begin by asking someone who doesn't.
Yourself.
I don't understand the above. Ran asked that we post under our real names and I have done so since. I would also ask that you stop using a woman avitar. I find it offensive to women and an unnecessary distraction.
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Yea ...and I'm with John cause i sure never understood the carry out the wet sand stuff [ nor did my girl] and I'm sure not understanding the newer!
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It comes down to this. Many of us have profited greatly by being on this site and it is very popular in the golfing world. When you face a pro across a counter he deserves to know who you are and what you have said in the past...or be able to check and see what you will say in the future. Now many of you are going to waltz in with your GCA bags and pick and choose if you disclose your real name...If you have said good things you are Shivas...if not you are Dave...It is not an honest stance.
note: I know Shivas would not stoop to such a level...at least unless he was playing a course he was forced to meet a quota.
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I should fess up here. My real name is Timothy. I really do go by Tim in most circles. I promise not to hide behind the name Timothy at a pro shop... and I didn't buy a bag, but only because I love my Ping bag and I can't bring myself to switch brands.
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Me thinkith thath Juan doth proteth thtoo muth. :)
Really John, who and how do many profit on this site. Do you mean by access for free. Last I checked, no one gets freebies as a GCA poster. Oh, you mean raters... they profit by getting some free golf. Well, all posters (most) are not raters.
I've faced any number of pros across the counter. Oh, it isn't all that intimidating. I just give them my Visa and smile. Do you think they'd be quaking in there ECCOs if they saw I have a GCA logo bag and my Visa says Da Mare? What do they fear more; the GCA logo and a nameless face or the Golf Digest Panelist tag?
Most pros I know don't have time to take a crap. Most of them don't sit there in their PJs or smoking jacket and scrutinize every poster and if they are negative or positive.
Oh, the Pat Ruddy posts do indicate that himself was lurking for a long time, I'll give you that. But, he got Tiger's name and called him out on it. It was an interesting if not informative exchange in the end. So why do you have to set yourself up to somehow look out for the poor pro, committee man at a club, DOG, etc, incase a nome d'plume somehow goes off on their course. Can these folks not fend for themselves? (quite ably as Pat Ruddy proves)
I seemed to prove today that if something goes to heck, a lot of info can be obtained in a short time about certain posters. Why the crusade about some colorful monikers, when none of the long time ones have been outrageously out of line?
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All this wasn't so funny when Dick almost had to take his buds to King's North...Thank God we knew a member of Yeamans that could save the day and prevent that tragedy.
Could we at least agree that anyone who carries a GCA bag post under their real last name. I can't wait for bag gate...
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Dick,
Have you profited from this site or not...or is the only profit in your life tied to how many dollars are involved. I have played more golf on more great courses because of this site than I ever could have imagined...and I might have even paid 10% of the time. What does this have to do with being a rater.
How many people told you I was the scam artist that tricked you. Just last week I was threatened by another poster on this site because he thought I was slaming him on another web site. It was nice to be able to tell him and you and Shivas that I have only been rude or ignorant under my own name.
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But that is just it John. The guy that punked me allegedly posted under his real name, or someone stole his identity. that didn't prevent anything. I wasn't bailed out because Ed posts under his real name. I was able to harken back to meeting Ed in person at Cusco.
I am not aware of anyone who has attended any semi or official GCA event that hasn't used his own name. Well, maybe Dan King did come in CB Mac drag once or twice, but still... ;) ;D 8)
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Profit in the sense of access or invites John, yes nice folks have invited me from time to time to some nice places. But, profit is in my way of thinking is more about $ and that more likely applies to free golf. I don't ask or want free. I am more than happy to pay guest fees. So benefit from the site via invites, yes. Profit, not really. Could you agree that raters get a lot more free golf than invitees who if they are real people offer to pay their way?
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I wasn't bailed out because Ed posts under his real name. I was able to harken back to meeting Ed in person at Cusco.
Hmmmm...I got that the story was that Ed had invited you specifically when he knew you were coming to the Dixie Cup in Myrtle. The plot thickens.
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John,
Aren't you being the holy one today!
You've quit this site, came back, quit again. Been asked to halt posting for a couple of weeks several times--so you could cool down--and then all of a sudden, today your lacy white, as pure as the driven snow!
What balls!
Then you want to act like your offended (on another post) and then won't even return my phone call when I call you to confront you about it.
John, cut out the act. If you don't like it, then simply don't click on it!
Also, go see the Borat movie, which maybe one of the funniest movies ever made. Hopefully it will grant you further insight, more humor to this wonderful life you have gifted.
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Profit in the sense of access or invites John, yes nice folks have invited me from time to time to some nice places. But, profit is in my way of thinking is more about $ and that more likely applies to free golf. I don't ask or want free. I am more than happy to pay guest fees. So benefit from the site via invites, yes. Profit, not really. Could you agree that raters get a lot more free golf than invitees who if they are real people offer to pay their way?
I don't think raters get any free golf in my sense of free...After mulling over this for many years now I think they pay a price every time they show that card and submit that number. I do believe that some people became raters because of this site and if being a rater makes them happy than in that they have profited. The only free golf is that golf where you are free to keep your opinions to yourself.
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John, I'm going to bump this up again to make sure you read my post.
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I don't understand the above. Ran asked that we post under our real names and I have done so since. I would also ask that you stop using a woman avitar. I find it offensive to women and an unnecessary distraction.
So if Ran told you to jump off a bridge....?
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John,
Aren't you being the holy one today!
You've quit this site, came back, quit again. Been asked to halt posting for a couple of weeks several times--so you could cool down--and then all of a sudden, today your lacy white, as pure as the driven snow!
What balls!
Then you want to act like your offended (on another post) and then won't even return my phone call when I call you to confront you about it.
John, cut out the act. If you don't like it, then simply don't click on it!
Also, go see the Borat movie, which maybe one of the funniest movies ever made. Hopefully it will grant you further insight, more humor to this wonderful life you have gifted.
Tommy,
I just got home from a trip and can not make personal phone calls from home....This is family time, or what they know of it. I sent you an email about Borat to the address I found linked to your name.
To me going to see Borat would be like going to a strip bar...sure I would enjoy it but at whose expense and whose benefit. I may fire a man tomorrow for using hate humor on the job and then you would expect me to use the money I made off of the sweat of his back to pay to see the exact same thing...Yea, I don't get it.
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I don't understand the above. Ran asked that we post under our real names and I have done so since. I would also ask that you stop using a woman avitar. I find it offensive to women and an unnecessary distraction.
So if Ran told you to jump off a bridge....?
If Ran owned the bridge and I had lived on it for over three years....yea if I could survive the fall. I think anyone on this site can survive a name change to their name...and if not the site can survive without them.
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Barney, most people didn't need to be told and have always been accountable for their words and behavior.
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Barney, most people didn't need to be told and have always been accountable for their words and behavior.
And most people pick up a check without going on the internet and whining about it...
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Me thinkith thath Juan doth proteth thtoo muth. :)
Really John, who and how do many profit on this site. Do you mean by access for free. Last I checked, no one gets freebies as a GCA poster. Oh, you mean raters... they profit by getting some free golf. Well, all posters (most) are not raters.
I've faced any number of pros across the counter. Oh, it isn't all that intimidating. I just give them my Visa and smile. Do you think they'd be quaking in there ECCOs if they saw I have a GCA logo bag and my Visa says Da Mare? What do they fear more; the GCA logo and a nameless face or the Golf Digest Panelist tag?
Most pros I know don't have time to take a crap. Most of them don't sit there in their PJs or smoking jacket and scrutinize every poster and if they are negative or positive.
Oh, the Pat Ruddy posts do indicate that himself was lurking for a long time, I'll give you that. But, he got Tiger's name and called him out on it. It was an interesting if not informative exchange in the end. So why do you have to set yourself up to somehow look out for the poor pro, committee man at a club, DOG, etc, incase a nome d'plume somehow goes off on their course. Can these folks not fend for themselves? (quite ably as Pat Ruddy proves)
I seemed to prove today that if something goes to heck, a lot of info can be obtained in a short time about certain posters. Why the crusade about some colorful monikers, when none of the long time ones have been outrageously out of line?
And many raters either pay for their rounds, stay in the hotel or buy lots o' merch.
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I am Spartacus ...
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I am woman... hear me roar ;)
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I agree with Barney, I like to know whose who and sometimes I don't
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Even if everyone uses names, how can we know those names are real?
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Has the question been answered.
Why don't people post under their real names?
The bggest problem we have today with golf architecture business is the barrier to entry is almost zero. Whether an architect, rater, writer or whatever. So why not at least use your own names? JMO
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I am Spartacus ...
I am Spartacus.
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I actually started with my traditional name and like Bogie the yabba gods would not let me one day. That day my lifelong nickname Tiger Bernhardt was born to its GCA life. Tiger was born in a small Louisiana town. It was a delightful one for golf and to read a few pages of The Links.
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upps toeing up to the line and saying I am Spartacus.
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In the spirit of full disclosure. My first name is John.
I go by my middle name, Ryan.
Barneys posts have forced me into dropping John as my name of choice. ;D
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I was dumb enough to post my name, address and phone but still no prank calls, threatening letters or dangerous packages - seems that this group is pretty reputable. Although, I did get a call from a young lady asking if I was interested in a date at the next Kingsputter - I told her that she would have to be screened by the Emperor.
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Jerry that young lady was my gf. lol only kidding. I am Spartacus!!
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Depending upon how you look at it, there is another benefit to posting under your real name.
A few weeks ago, I got an e-mail and phone call out of the blue from a friend of mine that I haven't seen in years!! I'd been trying to track her down as well, but since she'd remarried and I didn't know her new last name or where she lived, I didn't know when I'd ever hear from her again. Fortunately, through an internet search of my name, she found GolfClubAtlas and got my e-mail address through my profile!
But if you are running/hiding from someone/something, that might not be a good situation :(
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Has the question been answered.
Why don't people post under their real names?
The bggest problem we have today with golf architecture business is the barrier to entry is almost zero. Whether an architect, rater, writer or whatever. So why not at least use your own names? JMO
Mike,
The architects want us to post under are real names...the armchair critics on this board do not want to post under their real names. It simply comes down to the fact that it is difficult to show up for rounds at courses like Dismal River or any Rees Jones course when you have bashed the architect on a consistant basis. Some people like redanman, Shivas and Paul T simply think they have created a brand with their clever comentary and don't want to miss the next Pizza Man moment. This logic is of course turned back on us when they claim everyone knows who they are anyway.
Since Ran does not have the spine to delete people who hide behind false names...(I think PThomas is acceptable)..Maybe Brad Klein could get the job done with some form of discipline. Why would it be so hard to add to the rater handbook the following: All critiques of golf course architecture, architects, superintendents or subjects generally covered by Golfweek Magazine shall be performed in an open and honest manner under the name you rate courses for this magazine. This includes articles written for local and or national publications and discussions on nationally recognized internet golf architecture forums.
The last thing we need is a course or architect getting either slammed or praised under three different identities and one person. The golf world is too small and work is too sparce to allow these follies to continue. If a guy does a review for let's say Jersey Golfer I think the members and owner have the right to Google the authors name and see what he also says on this forum. Same thing goes if a guy calls and requests that he come out and see your course...Google will not pick up a simple signature at the end of a post.
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John,
That may well be your longest post.
Maybe one of the strangest, as well, and that is saying something...
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It was nice to be able to tell him and you and Shivas that I have only been rude or ignorant under my own name.
This might be true at present, but it certainly wasn't in the past, which is, I believe, John Conley's point.
Gotta be bigger problems in the world than this one, John.
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Goerge,
I don't understand the argument that just because I posted for a time under a different name it makes it fine for other people to do it now. I attended the original King's Putter as myself so I don't see how I could have been unknown that long. Didn't the original King's Putter preceed the Sports Illustrated article by quite some time.
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Gotta be bigger problems in the world than this one, John.
Please name one that I can make an impact on right now, today. I would love to de-rail the Borat train and SBC's other hate images but the intellectuals have found an outlet for crude humor and won't be letting this one go anytime soon. I could go read to a lonely person in a nursing home but I need to stay chained to my desk so 50 other people can take a pay check home tomorrow. What can I do George...What bigger problem can I tackle today.
I once asked a Priest if I was being selfish by building roads when I could be out protesting abortion clinics and possibly making a difference in the lives of the unborn. He advised me that "God puts some people on earth to build roads and I should go with that." What am I gonna do...I can build roads and try to make the people on this site better at what they do...critique architects. I think I've done a nice job of both the last few years. You got a better idea.
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Much like you found your own path in building roads, I leave it to you to find the bigger problems on this site and in this world.
I have a much bigger problem with people on this site shouting down criticism than, what, 4 or 5 people who apparently use pseudonyms.
I also have a HUGE problem with anyone who complains to Ran about damn near anything. Anyone who started this site shouldn't be be bothered with the pettiness that goes on here. Ran deserves only praise for his efforts. Period.
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(http://ffrevolution.com/feiss/i_am_spartacus.jpg)
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I am Sparticus
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how about using an aka? For example - Biarritzman aka Jimmy Garfinkle.
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I am Spartacus ...
I am Spartacus.
I am Maximus !
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/hack839/th-8.jpg)
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how about using an aka? For example - Biarritzman aka Jimmy Garfinkle.
So it would be Tommy Naccarato aka Hamilton B. Hearst? :)
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I like real names. I am not an architect, rater or writer, but I love the game and like talking about it.
I do think under anonymous posts it's easier to hide and take "pot shots".
If I say it, I ought to be willing to defend it or take any heat for it.
But, as a "newbie" I am just thrilled to be on here and look forward to some great discussions.
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Okay, I'll admit it, Gib Papazian is not my real name:
I am the walrus, koo koo ka choo.
Barny,
As one who hid behind a variety of amusing monikers, I find is strange you would be calling everyone on the carpet on the use of "nom de plums" - especially because at one time you made a constant effort to be the most mysterious, bizarre person on this board.
As I recall it took an extensive investigation by the Emperor to finally "out" you. Even then, your identity remained confusing and slippery for all but Treehouse veterans.
However, as I also speak for Gyroman and Arthur Gumby, that makes three votes that everyone just take ownership of their dogmatic spew and let the balls bounce where they may.
You are correct about the "architect example. I was blessed to play in the Havermeyer Cup some years back with a departed friend. Dinner one night was arranged with - amongst others - a certain architect with whose work I've been a trifle critical.
I stuck out my hand and introduced myself to him, who with the coldest stare in recorded history said, "I know who you are."
He is actually a very nice man, but has told mutual friends some awful things about me. I'll demur on the subject but can live with the consequences of his blunt honesty.
What is good for the goose . . . . . etc.
My *real* question is not about the obvious monikers like JES II, because if you click on them, most of the time a real name comes up.
I wonder about obvious fakes like Hamilton B. Hearst, who conjure up a regal sounding name (Like Biff Mayflower) and continue the canard with pseudo-society pontifications that clatter to the ground with pretentiousness - and are little more than an obvious parody of an upper-crust snot.
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Great point Gib,
We should do extensive research of this site from the first time I posted as BarneyF, through JakaB and now under John Kavanaugh. Find the stupidest of stupid insensitive remarks I have ever made and set that as the standard for this site. Put it under the new logo that will soon adorn the bags of the enlightened who want the world to know that they post on GCA. If we can just stay above the standards set by me at even my lowest point we should still be able to teach those without the connections to play away from the tourist trap boulevards of the Myrtle Beach golf factories...Did you know that people take off work to play some of those places..
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I post under a nickname that approximates my real name. Many people on the site know it. i do it because i googled my name once and found several of my posts. The main reason that it bothered me is that if a potential employers found out that i am so into golf, I am afraid that they probably wouldnt hire me.
nutshell
I agree...that is an honest answer...People like Paul T have denied that is his motivation for refusing to use his real name. I pardon you.
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I'm Tiger Woods...
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John, it does trouble me that you are having this lucid interval after the weather has gone south so to speak in Indiana. Normally the Barny F in you comes forth with a vengence this time of year. In the spirit of balance, should we draw from this post you will be wilder than ever when your winter posts kick in?
Tiger/John/Spartacus Bernhardt
Now I am getting confussed. Well lets keep it simple. Go Tigers and die Tide. Now I remember who I am. Oh by the by, I am hosting a few Beavers for the LSU game this Saturday night. Sadly they are not the right kind of beavers.
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JakaB,
Clever retorts aside, I believe the *low water mark* on this board probably begins and ends with one of my rapier rants at some unsuspecting Pizza man trying to express an honest opinion.
The difference is that in your heart of hearts, you are a harmless nut who takes delight in posting obtuse and meandering blurbs as a form of amusment.
As we've discussed over dinner, Indiana is painfully short of eccentric intellectuals who appreciate your dark humor. Certainly, this board is an outlet for your pent-up need to freely express yourself.
Which explains in part why most of your posts have little to do with golf architecture. Every bar has a squawk on the corner stool and under the Tom Paul theory, there is plenty of room in our tent for a real life Cliff Clavin.
By contrast, I am jerk. Complete with a smug attitude, enormous ego and contempt for fools - which is anybody with the temerity to disagree with me on any and all subjects.
My fingers on this keyboard have bought me a ticket to ride in pursuit of my passion for golf architecture. It has also provided me with a magic wand to enter virtually any golf course I wish to see or play - with too many close friends to count.
Those same fingers have also irretrievably pissed off a dozen or so people in whose good graces I shall never be restored. My Armenian arrogance has cost me dearly a couple times. I cannot help what is endemic to my species and genetically encoded.
So, golf bags aside, I see the point of anyone who wishes to remain anonymous - especially because this Treehouse has grown into what amounts to an underground movement and read by more lurkers than even you imagine.
For me, the horse is long out of the barn and even after a long absence, my feeble attempt to return as Gyroman or Gumby proved futile. I recall it took Adam Clayman exactly three posts to rip the paper bag off my head and the same would be for you Barny.
There are some on this board who can hide behind their mechanical and prosaic style, but for posters like you, me, Mucci, Emperor and TEPaul . . . . the dye is long ago cast.
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I am mourning the loss of one one Hamilton B. Hearst. I thought he was a real person. I had actually grown somewhat fond of his comments. My first couple of months on here, I was in cat and dog discussion about something inane and someone said that Hamilton B. Hearst would be proud of me or fond of me or something like that. I asked my father if he had ever heard of Hamilton B. Hearst, because I thought he was famous. ;D Then I saw him posting, so I thought he was real. The more Hamilton's the better in my book.
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Glenn,
I give you the task of finding out who and where he is.
Does anyone remember the name of that pseudo-billionaire who got into a cat fight with Shivas a year ago?
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Does anyone remember the name of that pseudo-billionaire who got into a cat fight with Shivas a year ago?
Ken Langone.
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There are some on this board who can hide behind their mechanical and prosaic style, but for posters like you, me, Mucci, Emperor and TEPaul . . . . the dye is long ago cast.
Gib and Glenn -
Computationally speaking, noone's prose is mechanical. Therefore, a simple application of forensic linguistics via computational stylistics will almost always reveal the doppelganger.
Hamilton B. Hearst's prose is so similar to that of another contributor that the naked eye will suffice - no computer necessary!
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Glenn,
I give you the task of finding out who and where he is.
Does anyone remember the name of that pseudo-billionaire who got into a cat fight with Shivas a year ago?
Gib:
I appreciate the nomination, but I feel that at this point in time, I am still going through the grieving process. On top of that, I would not know where to begin. On top of that, you can't ask the guy who was dupped to figure it out, he might just get fooled again. ;D
Michael,
To be honest, I have always liked your takes, but after what I have seen, I suspect you as well.
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By contrast, I am jerk. Complete with a smug attitude, enormous ego and contempt for fools
November 18th is fast approaching....your kind will be coming out of the woodwork on gameday. :)
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Kevin nice shot
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That was a nice shot and well-appreciated.
But of course we all know the real problem fans, truly hateable, will be descending on Los Angeles the following week.
;)
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Two points:
How come there are 1500 names, nicknames and other sorts of individuals on this site and only about 100 of us have ever sent in a contribution?
Mr. Kavanaugh, if you think Borat is racist humor, then you are really not getting the joke. He is attempting (whether he succeeds or not, in your view) to show the STUPIDITY of racism, not to celebrate it.
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Huck Those are very true words. An equally ugly bunch are driving their one eyed pickup trucks accross the state of Alabama towards Baton Rouge as we speak.
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Huck Those are very true words. An equally ugly bunch are driving their one eyed pickup trucks accross the state of Alabama towards Baton Rouge as we speak.
LOL
;D
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Huck, is the new name an attempt to fool big brother yahoo into thinking this is a 30 minute a day hobby instead of a 10 hour a day lifestyle? It is getting to be a great time of the year. Oh by the by I am now hearing things to make me back off the stronger institutional control issues comments a month or so back. ie It is likely some controls will be or are being put in place.
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Two points:
How come there are 1500 names, nicknames and other sorts of individuals on this site and only about 100 of us have ever sent in a contribution?
Mr. Kavanaugh, if you think Borat is racist humor, then you are really not getting the joke. He is attempting (whether he succeeds or not, in your view) to show the STUPIDITY of racism, not to celebrate it.
Alex,
I would be surprised if many more than 100 of us post in any given month.
As far as Borat goes...why does he get a pass. Now that I have had a cancer scare can I make fun of cancer patients, or better yet, why would I want to. I really don't understand why people need guys like Borat to make them laugh when the world is so funny on its own. I did discover one thing while at Mayo...all the good restaurants are either in basements or attics. It keeps the really sick people out so they can properly spice up the food. I can't believe the people of Minnesota have such delicate palates.
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Huck, is the new name an attempt to fool big brother yahoo into thinking this is a 30 minute a day hobby instead of a 10 hour a day lifestyle? It is getting to be a great time of the year. Oh by the by I am now hearing things to make me back off the stronger institutional control issues comments a month or so back. ie It is likely some controls will be or are being put in place.
You can ask Mr. Kavanaugh why I have a new post tally - he deleted me! Yep - got into my profile and self-deleted. Those of you with an obvious answer to the "secret question" - beware!
And it is heartening to read you are regaining some faith in the SC program. ;D
But most of all, oh yes this is a GREAT time of year.
TH
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Has the question been answered.
Why don't people post under their real names?
The bggest problem we have today with golf architecture business is the barrier to entry is almost zero. Whether an architect, rater, writer or whatever. So why not at least use your own names? JMO
Mike,
Some people like redanman, Shivas and Paul T simply think they have created a brand with their clever comentary and don't want to miss the next Pizza Man moment. This logic is of course turned back on us when they claim everyone knows who they are anyway.
I don't know who any of those guys are.....I do know there was a directive to post under one's own name.....why hasn't it been followed???
And I still haven't seen anyone answer your question.
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SC has always been my 2nd favorite program. There is so much I do not understand about the ability to play with a manipulate software and programs. It is scary to think what could happen to our election system/democracy now without a true paper trail.Oh I am Spartacus. I would not want to drift off point here. Question?? what is the best golf course within 2 miles of SC?
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As has LSU been my 2nd fave, for many years. ;D
Now hmmmmm... 2 miles from SC campus doesn't get one very far..... there may not BE a course in that circle. But expand it to 10 and you get LACC. ;D
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I guess I was asking does SC have a golf course for the school? aka a Yale, Ohio State, LSU, Stanford etc. You can see I tossed ours in with some very good company.
Mike I cannot think of one good reason not to post under ones name.
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;D
SC has no school-owned course - no land down there for it. You've been to the LA Colosseum, right? SC campus is adjacent... pretty damn awful urban area... not exactly a golf hot-spot.
I'd guess the golf team has no problems though... they must play at LACC or Wilshire or Brentwood or one of those near downtown.
TH
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More 'Football' chat again, boys...tut-tut!
I simply love it when an OT thread is taken beyond the original OT-ness into further OT-territory.
The poor thread originator must wonder what he has to do to keep you boys on the straight and narrow... ;)
Lurve,
The One and Only FAT-BALDY-DRUMMER!!!
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FBD is right - we are bad boys, JB. But dammit Martin, this is like trying NOT to talk about the European/real type of "football" during the World Cup or Champions League final time... our American college football is REALLY heating up these days.
But we are bad boys.
;D ;D
BTW, you are Martin, but you will always be FBD in our hearts.
;D
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FBD, when a thread has I am Spartacus as a theme, what is OT?
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FBD, when a thread has I am Spartacus as a theme, what is OT?
Very good point. ;D
BTW, I found where USC golf team plays... they list several home courses... a few of which I got right. Just shows that it pays to get good at this game early in life. ;)
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-golf/archive/usc-m-golf-courses.html
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I have a novel idea for those who are so concerned that someone who doesnt have two proper looking names as their username might actually flame someone on here. Why not just tell people not to flame people and punish those who do. Name or no name just punish those who comit the crime not everyone preemptively.
I dont see what having Haywood Jablowme or some other name that no one knows is legit changes a darn thing. I would think that more people know who Turboe is more so than someone who might just happen to sign up with Larry Smith for his username.
If you have a problem with someone than take care of it, but dont punish everyone. I have posted for quite a while with Daryl Boe as my user name then I went back to Turboe just cause I like it. I didnt consiously think "Oh good now I can flame and defame anyone I want and no one will ever know who I am."
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Huckaby,
that is a transparently PATHETIC attempt at legitimising you and Mr Bernhardt's current thread-jack.
Consider yourselves on double-secret probation until Bishop AkaJaka has time to hear your confessions... ;)
Tafordee Blowhun :o.
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Martin, Me thinks kneeling at the box to confess to Barny F is a bit more than I could stand. Turboe, I am sad. I thought your parents gave you a name that would serve you well in life. Who wants to be a Daryl when you can be a Turboe?
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Turboe,
I understand some of your points but think about this.
A guy post under his real name and has one personality, then has another where he poses under another personality....
He comes to your course to play as a rater or writer or whatever and poses with his real name.....yet bashing the place with his other name...
Why should owners and architects have to endure this type of stuff. I am confident there are people on this site with several names and personalities.....
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And most people pick up a check without going on the internet and whining about it...
If this is a stab at me I find it feeble. I pick up plenty of checks for friends and will gladly rehash the details of the evening where I told my tablemates I had less than $30 in my pocket and would be leaving early to watch a basketball game... most likely before the check arrived.
I'll admit, sometimes I do go out of my way to make a point when others may just ignore it. I'm willing to be accountable. My goal in life isn't to do what somebody else would in every situation.
Feel free to hit me with a Private Message if you care to recount the evening 22 months ago. Surely I'm the only one that found the behavior of the wine drinkers insensitive. Oh, I forgot. Eric also couldn't believe the boorishness of those running up a check and then asking us (he had water with his pasta) to pay part of their share.
Now for you, Jaka. You have cast baseless aspersions that I'm gay, a friend is as well, and miss no attempt to assail my character. In fact, you'd cross the street to do it. Your recently self-appointed position as the arbiter of message board protocol struck me as laughable.
Most of the folks on here post under their own name. I confess, I don't know why someone wouldn't. Ask Barney, maybe he knows.
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And most people pick up a check without going on the internet and whining about it...
If this is a stab at me I find it feeble. I pick up plenty of checks for friends and will gladly rehash the details of the evening where I told my tablemates I had less than $30 in my pocket and would be leaving early to watch a basketball game... most likely before the check arrived.
I'll admit, sometimes I do go out of my way to make a point when others may just ignore it. I'm willing to be accountable. My goal in life isn't to do what somebody else would in every situation.
Feel free to hit me with a Private Message if you care to recount the evening 22 months ago. Surely I'm the only one that found the behavior of the wine drinkers insensitive. Oh, I forgot. Eric also couldn't believe the boorishness of those running up a check and then asking us (he had water with his pasta) to pay part of their share.
Now for you, Jaka. You have cast baseless aspersions that I'm gay, a friend is as well, and miss no attempt to assail my character. In fact, you'd cross the street to do it. Your recently self-appointed position as the arbiter of message board protocol struck me as laughable.
Most of the folks on here post under their own name. I confess, I don't know why someone wouldn't. Ask Barney, maybe he knows.
I can't believe anyone would pay $7 to see a movie when you can read posts like the above....not that there is anything wrong with that.
Are you delusional...first brushfires and now you think I called you a homosexual because I said once that you would prefer to stay at a gay friends mansion rather than with us at Cuscowilla. Who ever talks about staying at a mansion with a friend when we have a package deal of $100 per night including golf at a top twenty golf course. I am sorry that I went over the line with the gay reference but hell, who lives in a mansion anyway...and calls it that. I was wrong for using that language. Just more proof that we need to post under our real names if I wasn't already doing so by then. What more proof do you need.
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I find Borat funny, and I'm Jewish. I also find Woody Allen funny, even though his humor may be construed as anti-Semitic (even though he is Jewish himself). Sacha Baron Cohen is Jewish. He would not make his character an anti-Semite without an objective. We see, through Borat's interactions with people, that his objective is to demonstrate how truly stupid and prejudiced some Americans are. There's one skit where he visits a ranch in Texas whose owner is clearly anti-Semitic. The juxtaposition of Borat's false, humorous anti-Semitism with this guy's genuine hatred of Jews is proof of Cohen's project with Borat.
Anyway, I post under my real name, and it would be nice if everyone did so as well, which would put us all on level footing. Someone using a pseudonym as a shield for making silly/controversial/mean-spirited comments seems a bit cowardly to me. But I don't see the problem with a "pen name" in this case, unless people have some paranoid notion that they aren't safe by broadcasting their real names along with their posts. A pseudonym worked for Mark Twain. Works for Bob Dylan.
I do like the occasional obvious fictional characters who appear on here, though. Our Borat comes to mind here.
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I'm so naive...I didn't know Freddie Mercury was gay until the day he died and didn't know Woody Allen was an anti-Semite until just now.
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I would not feel right insisting that one either post under his/her real name or be deleted. Besides, how could we be sure the name was real? However, I will state that this is the only site on the internet in which I post comments and one of the reasons I think that this site is so good is because most posting is signed off under the poster's real name. Try reading posting on sites where all post anonymously or under silly nicknames. The postings are predominantly ignorant, bombastic and irrational. (Especially try reading the trash posted on political sites of all sides. I really believe postings would rise in quality if everyone posted under their given names.)
Although postings on this site can get heated, there is a certain amount of civility which one retains when posting under your own name and accountability. I do mean this as to be interpreted as a judgment upon those who feel a need to poster under a nickname, but just as a reflection of why I think this site is so good. Also, for those who are now better known under their nicknames, I like Shivas' idea of listing his given name at the bottom.
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As has LSU been my 2nd fave, for many years. ;D
Now hmmmmm... 2 miles from SC campus doesn't get one very far..... there may not BE a course in that circle. But expand it to 10 and you get LACC. ;D
Tom,
Sunset Fields, the once grand and dynamic 36 hole facility for public, Pay-as-you-play golf was located not far from USC on the Eastern edge of the Baldwin Hills.
Also, still somewhat close to USC was the original site for The Los Angeles Country Club, located just off of Western and Pico. To this day, that area is still called the Country Club district.
Here is a link to Google Maps showing the old LACC site:
The Los Angeles Country Club (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Los+Angeles,+CA&ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=34.051379,-118.318162&spn=0.013227,0.031242&t=h&om=1)
Just so you know, Country Club drive still runs in the same manner as the original road into the club. However Arlington was added much later!
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I don't want shivas to change his screen name.
Ted Kramer is my real name.
No middle name, just Ted Kramer.
-Ted
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I find Borat funny, and I'm Jewish.
A few questions:
1. Would you also find Borat's character funny if you were Kazakh and told that your sister is a pig?
2. Would you also find the character funny if Borat were not named Borat, but Melvin, was a Jewish character with all the trappings and stereotypes, and the film made crude fun of Israel and Jews, not Kazakhstan and Kazakhs?
3. If #2 were the case, would ADL scream antisemitism?
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As has LSU been my 2nd fave, for many years. ;D
Now hmmmmm... 2 miles from SC campus doesn't get one very far..... there may not BE a course in that circle. But expand it to 10 and you get LACC. ;D
Tom,
Sunset Fields, the once grand and dynamic 36 hole facility for public, Pay-as-you-play golf was located not far from USC on the Eastern edge of the Baldwin Hills.
Also, still somewhat close to USC was the original site for The Los Angeles Country Club, located just off of Western and Pico. To this day, that area is still called the Country Club district.
Here is a link to Google Maps showing the old LACC site:
The Los Angeles Country Club (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Los+Angeles,+CA&ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=34.051379,-118.318162&spn=0.013227,0.031242&t=h&om=1)
Just so you know, Country Club drive still runs in the same manner as the original road into the club. However Arlington was added much later!
Thats pretty cool to look at. It would be great if someone had the information and could overlay a rough layout of how the holes ran back then over the top of the currentday map. It would be interesting to see what was where. But alas I am sure that kind of information is probably hard to come by from that era.
Daryl
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Tommy - that was cool... and it is fun to imagine how the area was at one time.
But everything you referenced is moved or NLE... are there really any golf courses within two miles of USC? From my knowledge of that area, well.... I kinda hope not. ;)
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Isn't Chester Washington, right alongside LAX, the closest 18 hole course to the USC campus?
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Isn't Chester Washington, right alongside LAX, the closest 18 hole course to the USC campus?
Must be. That's sure what I was thinking of. I just don't think that's within two miles... but now I am really curious and I am off to check....
answer - whoa! Way off. Surprised me - it seemed closer - but it's 13.7 miles from USC campus to Chester Washington. Several courses would be closer than that I think.
TH
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1. recognized because of this site.
2. enjoyed celebrity and retained an afterglow
3. a GCA bag...creates the hassle of celebrity.
4. Uncertainty on an internet site of noble objectives
5. A challenge to the originator/absentee moderator of same internet site to change for the good or better path
6. A sense of indecent behaviour by some rotten apples ruining the greater purpose
Frankly, the chemist in me chuckles when i see an AgMan and the collegiate fan in me chuckles when I see the LSU Tiger realted moniker .. and the environmentalist in me chuckles when I see a good Kingdom related acronymn like Shivas.. I celebrate the platonic individual spirit that lives on, that some catch and ride into the sunset, lest we forget TUCO..
One might as well ask why OT threads can be allowed to continue past 1 page..
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Chester Washington isn't right next to LAX - it's in Hawthorne several miles away - Westchester is the one right next to LAX, with all 15 holes of its glory.
I believe Wilshire is one of the non NLE closest to USC's campus, as it's several miles east of LACC and well north of Chester Washington.
PS I use my real name because that's the rule and in exchange for the privilege of membership here, I follow the rules.
JK - Would you object if Mr. Woods joined this site with a first name other than Eldrick?
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Ryan - Wilshire would have been my best guess as well. And yes... Westchester... the infamous back six. Bring your hard-hat.
;D
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Chester Washington isn't right next to LAX - it's in Hawthorne several miles away - Westchester is the one right next to LAX, with all 15 holes of its glory.
PS I use my real name because that's the rule and in exchange for the privilege of membership here, I follow the rules.
JK - Would you object if Mr. Woods joined this site with a first name other than Eldrick?
Ryan,
Tiger is his first name, he adopted by deed poll.
Bob
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I think the OT threads are fun, just like when Pat and TE Paul go off into the hinderland on some obscure subject. Many of us have become friends and enjoy bantering around on OT subjects. One does not need to read them if one does not want too. No more than one could follow Pat and TE if they tried. I find this site to be a blessing which is evolving into something better all the time. I need to come to grips with the reality that many people read what we put forth here and give it weight and value beyond what was intended. A discussion group to me is significantly different than a position paper or a research document. I hope this stays a discusion group.
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Thank you Tiger, well said!
I still think we ought to have an OT button on the left side of screen, although placing OT in the thread title is just as good.
I want to know the people on here as much as I want to hear their opinions on GCA. In fact, it helps to understand their POV when they say they like or dislike something on a golf course when you get some insight into their other likes and dislikes, IMHO.
Steve, oh yes that TUCO character was a hoot. ;) ;D 8)
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The bottom line is I remember very clearly the day Ran limited the board to 1500 members and requested that everyone post under their real names. I am here daily and don't recall that request being lifted.... After watching this board for several years I can say without a doubt posting under real names makes for a much better site. Over the last year this site has become a joke. The quality of the discussions is pathetic.. The OT posts are out of control... It is sad what this has become. A little accountability and class goes a long way.
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After watching this board for several years I can say without a doubt posting under real names makes for a much better site. Over the last year this site has become a joke. The quality of the discussions is pathetic.. The OT posts are out of control... It is sad what this has become. A little accountability and class goes a long way.
Donnie, believe me when I say I have the utmost respect for you, but do you really believe this? It sounds more than a bit strong to me. I still find a great deal of interesting stuff, even amidst the OT threads and rankings threads. A quick scan of the topics on the first page shows well over half being on topic and full of information.
What do you feel is missing?
(Please take these questions in the spirit intended, one long time poster to another.)
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I don't feel as strongly about the subject as John Kavanaugh does, but I can't think of a good reason why someone would be unwilling to post under their real name (assuming they have something to contribute), nor has anyone articulated one. Is there a legitimate objection, Shivas, Racetrack George, etc?
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The bottom line is I remember very clearly the day Ran limited the board to 1500 members and requested that everyone post under their real names. I am here daily and don't recall that request being lifted....
After watching this board for several years I can say without a doubt posting under real names makes for a much better site.
Over the last year this site has become a joke.
The quality of the discussions is pathetic..
The OT posts are out of control... It is sad what this has become. A little accountability and class goes a long way.
Donnie,
I couldn't agree more.
I will admit to an occassional foray into OT discussions, but, everything you said is on target.
OT topics and threads that ask inane questions should be deleted ASAP.
Like a lot of architecture, this site is being "dumbed down"
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Patrick:
An occasional foray? OK, in the spirit of brotherhood, I'll let that go. ;D
As for the rest, Donnie's post assume this place was ever any different, which is by my take not a fair assumption at all. GO back to the very old days and you'll see the same crap... just with less participants.
This forum is what it is, take it or leave it.
As for posting under one's own name, I've not opined before... but to me it's a tempest in a teapot. How do I know you are really Pat Mucci and if there really is a Hamilton B. Hearst? Anyone can post a fake name.... what's the big deal?
TH
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An occasional foray? OK, in the spirit of brotherhood, I'll let that go. ;D
I rarely, if ever, initiate an OT thread.
However, I plead guilty to occassionally participating in them.
As for the rest, Donnie's post assume this place was ever any different, which is by my take not a fair assumption at all. GO back to the very old days and you'll see the same crap... just with less participants.
When you go back, examine the quality of the threads and the ratio of OT threads to Architectural threads.
This forum is what it is, take it or leave it.
Why not try to improve it ?
As for posting under one's own name, I've not opined before... but to me it's a tempest in a teapot. How do I know you are really Pat Mucci and if there really is a Hamilton B. Hearst?
Evindently, when we were playing at Sand Hills, HBH was posting on the site. And, as you know, the only thing you can do at Sand Hills is play golf, eat, drink, have good conversations, or leave the door open in your room with the lights on before you go to dinner so that ten million bugs can have you for desert when you return. A classic TEPaul move.
Anyone can post a fake name.... what's the big deal?
The big deal is responsibility and accountability.
AKA, INTEGRITY.
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Patrick:
Understand I don't disagree with the concepts of showing one's best self on here, having integrity, etc. I also firmly believe that you are who you are and Hammy is who he is. The specifics weren't the point....
The point is that this place has always ebbed and flowed, as did its predecessor forums. People come and go, the level of discourse rises and falls, some people post under fake names while most use their own, troublemakers come on and try to ruin things... it's just the nature of the internet. It seems silly to me to complain about. As I say, it is what it is.
But mainly my point was Donnie seems to be longing for a time that never really did exist. Not that that matters a whole hell of a lot, but well.....
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Tom Huckaby,
Prior to this thread I had never discussed the issue with Donnie Beck, but, I felt as he did. And, I"m not alone.
Numerous people have told me that the site is drifing away from its core values, that it's being diluted by OT and inane threads.
These people are knowledgeable individuals that I respect.
When you dilute your product, you cease to attract and retain valueable participants.
Donnie voiced a concern shared by many.
You can ignore it or you can try to improve the site with focused threads and intelligent discussions.
I've seen interesting threads go unaddressed.
Then, I've seen questions like, "how much do I tip my forecaddy ?" and "where can I get invited to play when I'm in _________?" get several pages.
Quality, not quantity is what should be strived for.
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Patrick:
Well, I've been around here as long as anyone more or less, and I'll humbly disagree. I don't find the quality diluted at all... at least not any more than can be expected with the massive increase in participation PERIOD that has occurred over the years. Perhaps you prefer discussions with 25 like-minded people... I kinda like the diversity.
In any case, of course we should strive for the best. But then again I'm also way more interested in how much I should tip a forcaddie than the arts and crafts movement and how it pertains to golf course architecture, so perhaps I am not the best assessor of this.
BTW, I have also talked to many people who love the site the way it is today.... not surprising we run in different crowds.
;D
TH
ps - the access thing is a totally separate issue, one I feel very safe in saying we are in concurrence on.
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If I just found GCA.com yesterday, had never seen it before, and started reading threads back for weeks, I wouldn't find it diluted or inane at all. I would learn more than I could conceivably learn anywhere else on the planet.
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If I just found GCA.com yesterday, had never seen it before, and started reading threads back for weeks, I wouldn't find it diluted or inane at all. I would learn more than I could conceivably learn anywhere else on the planet.
Sean,
Ran has you listed as having been registered on this site as of
February 29, 2004, that's two years and 8 months ago.
False in one ...... false in many.
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Did you actually read Sean's post Patrick?
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Did you actually read Sean's post Patrick?
Of course he didn't - it refutes his take, and in a very perfect manner, I might add.
Chris, you have to realize obstinance and obfuscation are Patrick's standard operating procedures. Just grin and take him for what he is - a loveable old curmudgeon, the ancient mariner of this site.
TH
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If I just found GCA.com yesterday, had never seen it before, and started reading threads back for weeks, I wouldn't find it diluted or inane at all. I would learn more than I could conceivably learn anywhere else on the planet.
Sean,
Ran has you listed as having been registered on this site as of
February 29, 2004, that's two years and 8 months ago.
False in one ...... false in many.
False teeth?
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It comes down to this. Many of us have profited greatly by being on this site and it is very popular in the golfing world.
That is quite possibly the most absurd thing I've ever read here.
Surely, I have not!!!
Maybe you midwesterners take your internet personalities a little more serious than us here in Oregon. ;)
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Okie dokie, now Pat has chimed in. Huck, please take my advice and run for the hills, any hills. Mucci is on the warpath and actually misread a post. Sean I agree with you.
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Sean Leary,
I missed the "If" in your post.
My appologies.
There's no doubt that you would have learned a lot.
But, think how much more you would have learned four years ago.
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EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please someone mark this date for posterity - this is the first, and only time, in the long history of this forum that Mr. Mucci has even hinted at imperfection.
See Patrick, I knew there was hope for you.
;D ;D
As for the substance... I was here 4 years ago - he would have learned less, I think. What he would have received more is group-speak.
TH
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EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please someone mark this date for posterity - this is the first, and only time, in the long history of this forum that Mr. Mucci has even hinted at imperfection.
That's because it rarely occurs.
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Sean Leary,
I missed the "If" in your post.
My appologies.
There's no doubt that you would have learned a lot.
But, think how much more you would have learned four years ago.
No worries.
4 years ago, the topics were being addressed for the 1st and second time. Now the same topics are coming up over and over again and for an avid, long timer it certainly gets repetitive. Hell you' ve been called out for starting similar threads at times. If you read here every day, its bound to happen because there is only so much to talk about.
You clearly try harder than anybody on here to start more thought provoking threads than anybody else, and for that you should be thanked and appreciated. But different people get different things out of this site (access, etc ;)), and I am OK with that as it is.
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The bottom line is I remember very clearly the day Ran limited the board to 1500 members and requested that everyone post under their real names. I am here daily and don't recall that request being lifted....
After watching this board for several years I can say without a doubt posting under real names makes for a much better site.
Over the last year this site has become a joke.
The quality of the discussions is pathetic..
The OT posts are out of control... It is sad what this has become. A little accountability and class goes a long way.
Donnie,
I couldn't agree more.
I will admit to an occassional foray into OT discussions, but, everything you said is on target.
OT topics and threads that ask inane questions should be deleted ASAP.
Like a lot of architecture, this site is being "dumbed down"
Second that...
AND has any one answered the question yet???? WHY DONT PEOPLE POST UNDER THEIR REAL NAME ?
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EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please someone mark this date for posterity - this is the first, and only time, in the long history of this forum that Mr. Mucci has even hinted at imperfection.
That's because it rarely occurs.
WHEW! I was getting worried... for a few minutes there I thought you were freaking out on me with this admission. Glad to see the old Patrick is back.
;D
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Mike Young - it has been answered several times - if you care, go back and read through the entire thread.
I continue to find it much ado about nothing anyway... I met you at Cuscowilla, and enjoyed that... but really, how do I know the guy I met is the guy posting now? Of course I believe you... but the point is "real" names are as easy to fake as anything else. I could change mine to John Smith right now....
TH
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In case anyone wants to save this remarkable post from Mr. Mucci, which I've saved as a photo I call Hell Freezes Over. Limited edition prints will be available soon.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a168/carrera993/HellFreezesOver.jpg)
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Huckaby just turned that into his screensaver..
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Kevin - fantastic - put me down for an 16x20 size print - I'm off to get a suitable frame.
;D ;D
And Sean, that is a hell of an idea... only it would take away the pic I now use - Sand Hills #1. Few other golf holes prove how wrong Mucci is about all of this, so it is a daily reminder anyway of his folly.
TH
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Mike Young - it has been answered several times - if you care, go back and read through the entire thread.
I continue to find it much ado about nothing anyway... I met you at Cuscowilla, and enjoyed that... but really, how do I know the guy I met is the guy posting now? Of course I believe you... but the point is "real" names are as easy to fake as anything else. I could change mine to John Smith right now....
TH
TOM,
I READ THE PREVIOUS POST BUT SEE NO REASONS THAT HOLD WATER IMHO. I ALSO AGREE W/YOU THAT IT IS EASY TO POST UNDER A FALSE NAME. THAT SHOULD BE EASY TO RECTIFY VIA SOME TYPE OF VERIFICATION...IN MOST CASES IT IS NOT A PROBLEM BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL WITH SEVERAL NAMES THAT SPOUT SEVERAL VARYING OPINIONS JUST FOR CONTROVERSY....
IF THE SITE IS SO OPPOSED TO PEOPLE POSTING UNDER REAL NAMES WOULD IT BE MORE JUST IF EVERYONE WAS REQUIRED TO POST UNDER A MONIKER , NICKNAME OR USER NAME.....JMO
STOP BY WHEN DOWN THIS WAY.
MIKE
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Mike - very cool, that's all understood. I guess I just don't see the big harm being done... and I say that having suffered personal on-line harm from each of JakaB and Tuco in the past, and Hamilton B. Hearst seemingly continually. So I'm not blind to how this can suck. I just don't see it worth complaining about all that much given how this is all a fiction anyway.....
TH
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AND has any one answered the question yet???? WHY DONT PEOPLE POST UNDER THEIR REAL NAME ?
Well Mike, I'm sure you have already noticed the answer to this many times over the years, because it comes up so often. One reason - not the only one is; some of the annonymous or nome d'plumes are "in the biz" or in a position that would compromise them, or someone else. They want to have a take on issues, but can't afford to become identified as outspoken about a matter.
I personally find reasons some of those who give the "in the biz" excuse to generally be a weak arguement. But, I'm not in the biz, so what the heck do I know.
This entire thread might be the 10th time the same subject has gone multi-pages...
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....personally I think that those who are afraid to voice their opinions and use their real names because they are 'in the biz', might want to re think why they are there to begin with...especially if they can't express themselves with out fear of repression.
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....personally I think that those who are afraid to voice their opinions because they are 'in the biz', might want to re think why they are there to begin with...especially if they can't express themselves with out fear of repression.
It is not "fear of repression" for me....it is respect
Ethics is another word for it....golf teaches it and the business demands it if you are to stay in it.
Every time I drive to work I am trying my best that day to construct that course or do renovations....every time Doak designs he is doing what he thinks is best....Nicklaus, fazio and every design associate that works for them are doing the same I am sure. When you are in the battle of building a course it doesnt always turn out the way you wanted....but you tried. I refuse to second guess decisions when I dont have all of the facts.
Who am I to question the circumstances that each architect worked under or each golf course superintendent works under to make their course the best it can be.
Sure I have my opinions just like everyone else......but my respect for the game and the business is greater
Thats just how I roll
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Tim .....I modified my original post for clarification.
You are using your real name [well, maybe :)], and expressing your views......so what is your point about what I have said?
Actually, having re read your post, it seems you are just defining your views as well.........so, welcome aboard.
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....personally I think that those who are afraid to voice their opinions and use their real names because they are 'in the biz', might want to re think why they are there to begin with...especially if they can't express themselves with out fear of repression.
Paul,
I thought repression was not a concern anymore with the new balls.....I used to use a 90 in the winter and a 100 in the summer but I thought repression was just for wound balls.
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My point is....I dont slam architects or courses or Superintendents....period
I will not hide behind a name to express my feelings. Others can do it if they wish but it is not my style. I have my opinions about architecture but it is something for me to practice and hone in the field.....not at a computer screen.
I am here to see photos of courses and read the comments of people here that practice ethical behavior.....the other stuff here is just drivel from people that have never strapped on boots and gotten in the mud
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Mike,
Just look at who protests posting under their real names...I don't see any architects or supers.
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tim....u got strap on boots?....damn i can just only find lace ups.
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tim....u got strap on boots?....damn i can just only find lace ups.
Pull ons...strap ons.....dont have time to lace up while kicking guys out the door in the morning... ;D
8)
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I like Hamilton B Hearst! I enjoy his posts. He makes me consider my point of view from the view of others. Not necessarily all others, but others. Hamilton is a part of the great world of golf's opinions. Just like many of us posters/know-it alls.
I like to think Hamilton B Hearst exists. I would be very surprised if Hamilton existed that he keyed in his own comments onto this web-site. I expect he uses his personal secretary. I'm fine with that, and I expect his personal secretary (he or she) is ok with that as well.
By the way, my middle name is William (as was my grandfather's first name).
Oh, and thanks Hamilton and Borat for the invite for a game soon. Much appreciated. I'm really looking forward to it. I can't make it for a few months, but if you are visiting down under this summer please call (the marina has some spare berths in Adelaide). ;)
James B
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Apparently, Kavanaugh's reputation preceded even me.
I've heard of much discussion at Dixie Cup v. 2005 as to whether or not I was actually John Kavanaugh.
I assure you, I'm not. ;D
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Big deal, who cares, post under whatever name you post under but just make it interesting and don't talk about anyone's Momma.
Also, I guess that I am not creative enough to give myself a nickname.
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don't talk about anyone's Momma.
I love most of the courses I have done as much as I love my momma
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Now we have someone posting as Racetrack George.
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What about posting under a fake name if you are a member of a very private, prestigious club and you
A) don't want people asking for (or hinting around for) access
and/or
B) disagree with work being done there, but don't want to very publicly denounce such changes (say ANGC, for example)..
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Sean,
If you are a member of a private club and have trouble with what they are doing you shoud air your troubles to the club. If you want to take it to the next level you can air your problems here but only under your real name. Anon bashing of a club where you are a member may be the most cowardly thing of all.
If you are a member of a private club and don't want to be bothered just say no...You will be found out anyway no matter what name you use and the private IM's will fly much like they did when one of our friends got into Merion...I think Huck and Paul Thomas got the news before he did.
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One of the greatest pleasures of belonging to a prestigous club is introducing guests, I for one am delighted to offer fellow golfers a day at my club. Saving them 70% on the visitor fee is a bonus, my usual request is we play for the wine over lunch and as the majority of my guests aren't "gentlemen" I usually lose. If I get an invitation to visit their club it's a bonus but not an expectation.
Maybe it's a British thing but who wants to join an exclusive club and play with the same fellow members all the time. Surely one of the greatest pleasures is taking a guest for the day and seeing how they enjoy the experience. Or am I just old fashioned??
Stand up and be counted on GCA, save the false name for the rating visits.