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Don't know enough to contribute, but was wondering if you mean only still in existence courses, or would some NLE count, if one of us happened to have seen it or played it way back when?
While a very good course, I don't think Birmingham MI is a Ross.Also, you gave my beloved Grosse Ile 5 x 1...so maybe it slips in at 70+.Mimosa Hills & Hope Valley in NC are at least as good as some others listed. LuLu is a notch below with Grosse Ile.Ciao
Tom,Side question.I note that Roaring Gap and Mid Pines have only 2x7. Does that mean the other 2 have either not seen them or have seen them and given them lower numbers and if the second is the case given they have both been recently masterfully restored did they by chance see them before the restorations.
I would consider Kahkwa Club in Erie, PA. It has some great green complexes. Doak 5-6 range.
I count 112 courses that I've played that Ross has worked on at some point.I think the top 20 is great, then it comes down to splitting hairs. Sometimes its hard to combine the original and the restoration for some of these.The biggest omissions on my list are:Concord CC (7 for me, easily as good as all in the back half of the CG courses) Ravisloe (6, seconded!) Sedgefield (6, seconded!)Manchester in NH (6). I have the Balsams as a 6 if they ever re-open it...just such a great location and good course on a tough site.My next tier among the omitted so far in the CG81 would be Camden, Irondequoit, Hope Valley, and Bedford Springs. Newport is not really a Ross despite his working there, so I'm not listing that one.The worst ones out of my 112 Ross courses played?-Donald Ross GC in Ft. Wayne...DJR did the front nine but this place is pretty run down, and the back nine actually is more interesting.-Newton Commonwealth in Newton, MA...lost a few holes to housing in the 50s, now a 5500y bandbox with enough space for 12 of the 18 holes.-then it comes down to a few New England courses with 9 Ross holes that are quite nice, and 9 from someone else that are not good at all...Biddeford-Saco and Cape Neddick in Maine come to mind, also Wentworth in NH, which has ocean frontage.-Ponkapoag...Ross 18 split between two courses, #1 was recently redone by Brian Silva but mainly to fix drainage...this facility has been a common ping pong ball in city politics, the course and its patrons suffering the most. -Wellshire in Denver...good bones, just really tired.
Quote from: David Davis on January 24, 2018, 11:04:42 AMTom,Side question.I note that Roaring Gap and Mid Pines have only 2x7. Does that mean the other 2 have either not seen them or have seen them and given them lower numbers and if the second is the case given they have both been recently masterfully restored did they by chance see them before the restorations.If you had the book, you would see that Roaring Gap has only been visited by Ran and myself. [I saw it before the recent work.] Masa saw Mid Pines many years ago, before all the recent work, and rated it quite low, but that doesn't hurt it the way I've ranked them, unless he would also have given it a 7.There are lots of these courses that only one or two of us have seen, so I would not put too much stock in the order they're listed. As two examples, I was the only one to rate Brookside (OH) and Minikahda, both of which I saw many years ago, and rated lower than most people. One of the softer touches in our foursome almost certainly would have given them higher marks.
Old Elm is included in Tom's list, in the 40-63 group (1x6).