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Sam Krume

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I will nominate a course that will have never ever been mentioned on here. Epsom Golf Club in Surrey. Not the RAC but Epsom...a downland course on common land, all on chalk, next to the racecourse. It is a course with the most natural (some crazy)greens, just extensions of fairways, It's wonderful. If you can chip and putt at Epsom you can chip and putt anywhere, I kid you not.


Epsom has been talked about by Lawrence....its on my hit list.


http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,53011.msg1217634.html#msg1217634


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Was a member for 10 years. I can honestly say I have not played a course that has such variety in its greens, IMO they are outstanding. As its land owned by Her Majesty, no bunkering but some wonderful bump and run holes. In a pro am a few years ago, saw Paul Way rip up his card after hole #7 and posting an NR.....

Adam Lawrence

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I will nominate a course that will have never ever been mentioned on here. Epsom Golf Club in Surrey. Not the RAC but Epsom...a downland course on common land, all on chalk, next to the racecourse. It is a course with the most natural (some crazy)greens, just extensions of fairways, It's wonderful. If you can chip and putt at Epsom you can chip and putt anywhere, I kid you not.


So when are you going to do the damn photo tour you've been promising?
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JJShanley

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Sam:


Why would HMQE2 prevent bunkers on a golf course laid out on land she owns?


JJS

Sam Krume

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Sam:


Why would HMQE2 prevent bunkers on a golf course laid out on land she owns?


JJS


Not sure but i believe it's because it's common land and some bylaw regarding bringing a different type of soil(?)ie sand onto the land.

Sam Krume

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I will nominate a course that will have never ever been mentioned on here. Epsom Golf Club in Surrey. Not the RAC but Epsom...a downland course on common land, all on chalk, next to the racecourse. It is a course with the most natural (some crazy)greens, just extensions of fairways, It's wonderful. If you can chip and putt at Epsom you can chip and putt anywhere, I kid you not.


So when are you going to do the damn photo tour you've been promising?


Will do really soon, I promise


Ed Homsey

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Good to hear North Jersey Country Club getting some attention on this site.  I haven't been there since 2003, but, at the time, I ranked it among my top 5 of Travis courses.  Particularly in terms of the wonderful green sites.

Carl Nichols

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Sam:


Why would HMQE2 prevent bunkers on a golf course laid out on land she owns?


JJS


Have you seen her short game?

JJShanley

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Sam:


Why would HMQE2 prevent bunkers on a golf course laid out on land she owns?


JJS


Have you seen her short game?


Yes.

jeffwarne

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North Fork CC (Cutchogue NY-north fork of Long Island)
Connemara Isles(Galway)-I have mentioned it here I guess
Belle Meade (Thompson Ga)
Greencastle (Donegal)
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Buck Wolter

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I was in Hong Kong last weekend and the European Tour happened to be playing at the the Hong Kong Golf Club so I went out on Sunday. They have 54 holes (Old, New and Eden) -- the event was on a composite course but from what I saw the terrain was excellent, there was more width than expected, good bunkering and some interesting greens. I'm sure it's been mentioned but I don't recall much discussion.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #110 on: September 15, 2019, 12:16:39 AM »
Bill Crane's list of courses in south Jersey reminds me of one that was recommended to me from some members at Riviera ... Medford Village GC, formerly known as Sunny Jim's. 

The way it was described to me, Sunny Jim's was sort of a poor man's Pine Valley, back in the day.  It's hard to see that now that it's been made into a club for average golfers.


Photos of Medford Village from this summer:


http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/MedfordVillage_2019/index.html
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
The site for the Cobb's Creek project:  https://cobbscreek.org/
Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

Peter Pallotta

Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #111 on: September 15, 2019, 11:20:46 AM »

Don't think I've ever seen a mention of:
Rockway.
Kitchener, Ontario municipal course.
Stanley Thompson - 1935. Par 70 parkland course.
Never read about it here, never seen it featured on any 'top 100 publics' list.
Drapes seamlessly over rolling, river-side topography and seems to have retained much of its period-correct charm, with width and rumpled fairways and strategic hazards and some blind drives/approaches and a variety of contoured greens & engaging surrounds (with sometimes deep & difficult bunkers).
I think it one of the best values in southern Ontario/the greater GTA, and the epitome of understated architectural excellence.
And a wonderful history: it's where many young working-class Canadian greats first learned the game and honed their craft:
Moe Norman (enough said)
Gary Cowans (two-time U.S. Amateur winner)
and the little known Gerald Kesselring (who won the Rockway club championship 11 times, when it was said to be harder to win than the Ontario Amateur)
Stylish old clubhouse, charming little starters hut, putting green three steps from the first tee, and you don't get to the first of the three Par 5s until the 13th hole, when you finish 5-3-5-3-5-4.
It immediately became my favourite (even with the long walk across a now busy street after the 3rd hole and back after the 6th).

Garland Bayley

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #112 on: September 15, 2019, 07:45:22 PM »

Don't think I've ever seen a mention of:
Rockway.
Kitchener, Ontario municipal course.
Stanley Thompson - 1935. Par 70 parkland course.
Never read about it here, never seen it featured on any 'top 100 publics' list.
Drapes seamlessly over rolling, river-side topography and seems to have retained much of its period-correct charm, with width and rumpled fairways and strategic hazards and some blind drives/approaches and a variety of contoured greens & engaging surrounds (with sometimes deep & difficult bunkers).
I think it one of the best values in southern Ontario/the greater GTA, and the epitome of understated architectural excellence.
And a wonderful history: it's where many young working-class Canadian greats first learned the game and honed their craft:
Moe Norman (enough said)
Gary Cowans (two-time U.S. Amateur winner)
and the little known Gerald Kesselring (who won the Rockway club championship 11 times, when it was said to be harder to win than the Ontario Amateur)
Stylish old clubhouse, charming little starters hut, putting green three steps from the first tee, and you don't get to the first of the three Par 5s until the 13th hole, when you finish 5-3-5-3-5-4.
It immediately became my favourite (even with the long walk across a now busy street after the 3rd hole and back after the 6th).

You need to pay more attention to Ian Andrew who has mentioned it at least twice. And, there is this obscure poster, Pete palota or something like that who has mentioned it at least once before today. ;D
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

MCirba

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #113 on: September 15, 2019, 10:22:20 PM »
Manasquan River.  Wow.


Doak 7 or 8?  I'm in that range with my personal assessment.



I drove home 2 hours reconsidering my 2nd favorite course in the state of New Jersey.


Betting my buddy Joe Bausch is similarly conflicted.


Very possibly the best US course no one has heard of. 
« Last Edit: September 16, 2019, 09:09:57 AM by MCirba »
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

https://cobbscreek.org/

Bill Crane

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #114 on: September 16, 2019, 02:42:12 PM »
Manasquan River.  Wow.

Doak 7 or 8?  I'm in that range with my personal assessment.

I drove home 2 hours reconsidering my 2nd favorite course in the state of New Jersey.

Betting my buddy Joe Bausch is similarly conflicted.

Very possibly the best US course no one has heard of.


Mike:
This is the course that I listed in Nov. 2014 - and noted that I thought it was seriously under-rated and not known outside of central NJ.  I will have to make a Fall pilgrimage now that the shore traffic is dying down.
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MCirba

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #115 on: September 16, 2019, 03:46:37 PM »
Bill Crane,


Yes you do, and I did notice that you had brought it up years back on this thread.


My understanding is that Andrew Green recently completed a good deal of work.


I'm madly in love and I only met her yesterday!


I'll be very interested to hear your thoughts.
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

https://cobbscreek.org/

Ira Fishman

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #116 on: September 16, 2019, 05:11:47 PM »
Well, it ain't a Doak 7 or 8, but I do not remember seeing Hidden Valley in Pennsylvania mentioned before.  I played it several times many years ago.  A Russell Roberts design--he did courses in PA, MD, and Del.  After a just awful first hole, it is a very scenic and playable mountain course.  My guess is that it may be over-treed by now.  It is not worth a special trip, but the resort is family friendly.  Seven Springs is nearby which is another family friendly resort with a golf course.  It also is pretty close to Falling Water if you want to see one of the most spectacular examples of architecture in the US.


Ira

SPDB

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #117 on: September 16, 2019, 05:16:39 PM »
Bill Crane,


Yes you do, and I did notice that you had brought it up years back on this thread.


My understanding is that Andrew Green recently completed a good deal of work.


I'm madly in love and I only met her yesterday!


I'll be very interested to hear your thoughts.


Mike - Pics or it didn't happen.  ;D  Seriously, I'd be curious to see the course in its current state, since its been quite a few years since I've played.

Joe Bausch

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #118 on: September 16, 2019, 05:26:58 PM »
Bill Crane,


Yes you do, and I did notice that you had brought it up years back on this thread.


My understanding is that Andrew Green recently completed a good deal of work.


I'm madly in love and I only met her yesterday!


I'll be very interested to hear your thoughts.


Mike - Pics or it didn't happen.  ;D  Seriously, I'd be curious to see the course in its current state, since its been quite a few years since I've played.

After just 1 play Manasquan River is near the very top of my favorites I've ever played.  I think it is that good.

The terrain is just fantastic on 1-11, then 12-17 down by the water are much different but just outstanding. 

Note the course (fairways and greens) had been aerated a few days prior but didn't affect my very strong impression at all.  The presentation was superb.  Goodness gracious the place is simply awesome.

Here is the photo album of the course on my University web server formatted quite large (1400 pixels-wide with modest compression):

http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/ManasquanRiver/index.html

If you have a smaller monitor, this album as part of the Bausch Collection at MyPhillyGolf is formatted smaller (but also compressed more) is for you:

http://www.myphillygolf.com/uploads/bausch/ManasquanRiver/index.html
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
The site for the Cobb's Creek project:  https://cobbscreek.org/
Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

Tim Martin

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #119 on: September 16, 2019, 05:31:20 PM »
I recently played a 1905 Alex Findlay 9 holer in Northfield, Massachusetts just underneath the Vermont border. It has a card yardage of 2809 and par of 36 and at one point the Northfield Mount Herman School owned the golf course but that is no longer the case. Even though itís already an enjoyable walk and fun to play with some widening of the fairway mowing lines as well as some additional tree clearing you would really have something. The land and routing are solid and itís worth a detour off I91 if you are heading into Vermont/New Hampshire.

« Last Edit: September 16, 2019, 08:31:44 PM by Tim Martin »

Phil McDade

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #120 on: September 16, 2019, 07:20:59 PM »
Bill Crane,


Yes you do, and I did notice that you had brought it up years back on this thread.


My understanding is that Andrew Green recently completed a good deal of work.


I'm madly in love and I only met her yesterday!


I'll be very interested to hear your thoughts.


Mike - Pics or it didn't happen.  ;D  Seriously, I'd be curious to see the course in its current state, since its been quite a few years since I've played.

After just 1 play Manasquan River is near the very top of my favorites I've ever played.  I think it is that good.

The terrain is just fantastic on 1-11, then 12-17 down by the water are much different but just outstanding. 

Note the course (fairways and greens) had been aerated a few days prior but didn't affect my very strong impression at all.  The presentation was superb.  Goodness gracious the place is simply awesome.

Here is the photo album of the course on my University web server formatted quite large (1400 pixels-wide with modest compression):

http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/ManasquanRiver/index.html

If you have a smaller monitor, this album as part of the Bausch Collection at MyPhillyGolf is formatted smaller (but also compressed more) is for you:

http://www.myphillygolf.com/uploads/bausch/ManasquanRiver/index.html


Joe -- great stuff. Nos. 7, 9, 10 and 11 look really good, and the latter third of the course as you mention is quite the contrast but looks of interest as well.


Interested in some courses you might compare it to -- both in terms of how compares to others you've played on a ranking scale, and then any other courses with a similar feel or vibe to them. Thanks for posting these as always.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #121 on: September 16, 2019, 07:21:37 PM »
The Pinecrest Golf Club in Carolina...........Rhode Island that is. A very fun 9 hole course that was built by no one 'you've' ever heard of way back in 2002.  ;) I never miss a chance to play there after our season ends in NW Ct.

Here's a flyover
https://www.pinecrestri.com/golf
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Cliff Hamm

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #122 on: September 16, 2019, 07:39:12 PM »
Concur. Played Pinecrest about a month ago. Was very pleasantly surprised, as I have played most publics in Rhode Island, and wasnít familiar with it. Never thought it would be mentioned here.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #123 on: September 16, 2019, 07:53:34 PM »
Concur. Played Pinecrest about a month ago. Was very pleasantly surprised, as I have played most publics in Rhode Island, and wasnít familiar with it. Never thought it would be mentioned here.


Here's another reason I like it. As I'm walking into the shop for the first time the guy behind the counter says "you a single", and are you walking?" I answer yes. He comes around the counter, opens up the door and asks the 2 foursomes who are about to queue up if they'd please let me tee off before them. They say OK and he says "see you when you get in".......I already know I'm going to love this place before I hit my first shot.  ;D 
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Kevin Neary

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Re: Interesting golf courses that have NEVER been mentioned on GolfClubAtlas????
« Reply #124 on: September 16, 2019, 08:45:55 PM »
Bill Crane,


Yes you do, and I did notice that you had brought it up years back on this thread.


My understanding is that Andrew Green recently completed a good deal of work.


I'm madly in love and I only met her yesterday!


I'll be very interested to hear your thoughts.


Mike - Pics or it didn't happen.  ;D  Seriously, I'd be curious to see the course in its current state, since its been quite a few years since I've played.

After just 1 play Manasquan River is near the very top of my favorites I've ever played.  I think it is that good.

The terrain is just fantastic on 1-11, then 12-17 down by the water are much different but just outstanding. 

Note the course (fairways and greens) had been aerated a few days prior but didn't affect my very strong impression at all.  The presentation was superb.  Goodness gracious the place is simply awesome.

Here is the photo album of the course on my University web server formatted quite large (1400 pixels-wide with modest compression):

http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/ManasquanRiver/index.html

If you have a smaller monitor, this album as part of the Bausch Collection at MyPhillyGolf is formatted smaller (but also compressed more) is for you:

http://www.myphillygolf.com/uploads/bausch/ManasquanRiver/index.html
I've always enjoyed Manasquan River. The place is really is a tale of two nines. The 16th(?) may be one of the better holes in the state, especially with the exposed green sitting on the Manasquan River. The 18th I remember being a bit of a let down, but the course is a great amount of fun.


With so many people moving down the shore, MRCC and Spring Lake (a great George Thomas track) have really been killing it.

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