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No dilemma, Adrian. As I keep harping on about, it's McDonald's vs good food. People tend to prefer good food once they get it but it isn't an instant hit.
These clubs are golf for the vast majority in this country. The jacket & tie brigade don't want the majority, and the majority don't want "educating".
Quote from: Paul Gray on November 01, 2014, 04:15:47 PMNo dilemma, Adrian. As I keep harping on about, it's McDonald's vs good food. People tend to prefer good food once they get it but it isn't an instant hit. There is no right or wrong, you like what you like and others prefer something different. The problem (if it is a problem) is that the best players play on 7000 yard + golf courses, the best golf tournaments are played on narrow fairways....that is the elite part of the game, the game of golf to 95% is hitting it straight is good, miss the fairway it should be a form of penalty. Strategic golf hardly exists for the best players. Perhaps it is two different games but the trouble is the customer wants to play the same form as the top players and by default in the eyes of many anything less than 6000 yards is crap. Roller coaster greens are mickey mouse to many.
Thanks allAdrianYou have really hit a happy medium between a bit of funk, some movement in greens, some straight forwards shots, some deception, plenty of space to give the golfer confidence and enough rope to hang himself - all without going ott. The Orange is most definitely a keeper. The sun was in the wrong spot to bother with a photo for #5, but the tee shot is an excellent example of making folks think. Sure, the flat bellies just bomb it oe'r the top, but that is life...you can't get every hole right for every class of golfer...and to be honest I am not sure that is even desirable. I wanted to drop balls in different parts of the fairway and see how the approach plays out. I think going straight over the bunkers and staying on grass is the best angle simple because there is a rise in the first half of the green which I think will shove left or right approaches away from the centre of the green...but I am not certain. Yes there are a few greens where there is a best side to approach from or the green is angled against, the 1st and 5th of the Orange also the 23rd/5th on the Blue, the tease was to get the fool/golfer to cut the corner of the dogleg but from that angle the green is falling away, best place to attack this green from is centre or deep part of the fairway, but its a hole you need to learn. The 3rd of the blue has excellent options from the tee. We did get a fair bit of contour into the greens on the blue, 9th in particular. Marc H was the head greenkeeper at CP, the 4th hole on the Orange is pretty much his hole, he took some principles from Birkdale's 12th, the 4th hole came out of a mistake, whereby too much landfill was put in the wrong place so we kinda changed the routing, making that hole and losing another and it worked out for the better.I did talk to a member about the Orange and he said he didn't like it as much as the other 9s because of the wind. I also asked about the island green being built near the club drive. He said that would be part of an academy course! I am not sure that is wise, but I think having the hole along the club drive is very clever marketing. MarcSorry I didn't contact you. I didn't realize you were a member. Also, stops on the Winter Tour are easily cancelled if the weather looks at all dodgy...so I tend to stick with like-minded golfers for these affairs...I don't try to convert anyone! Thanks for the offer and maybe next time. Ciao