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Adam Lawrence

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Re: Do very fast greens defeat the ground game?
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2015, 02:26:07 AM »

For me its about making the angles count.  When courses are firm, angles matter.  When courses aren't firm its all just talk.



Yes. Or another formulation, without firmness, there is no strategy.
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Sean_A

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Re: Do very fast greens defeat the ground game? New
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2015, 04:11:59 AM »
Sean - thanks, that's very well put, and makes perfect sense.
Peter


When a course is in good nick we now can have a good idea of how well it is designed.  To me, courses can still be great if designed for wetter conditions, but it takes more savvy, probably better terrain and extremely interesting greens to make it happen.  Its easier to design a great course on what can be firm land because more variation is available.  Anything that can be produced on a wet property can be reproduced on a firm property, but the same thing doesn't hold true the other way around.  Mind you, when a course can show off its angles it must not only have angles, but also width to make the angles more meaningful in terms of available options of play.  Its a truly depressing thing to see a wonderful design in good nick presented with a lack of width  :'(

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Paul Gray

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Re: Do very fast greens defeat the ground game?
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2015, 09:04:37 AM »
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Its a truly depressing thing to see a wonderful design in good nick presented with a lack of width  :'(
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Sean,

If you don't mind, you may have just written my latest motif.   :)
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