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Sean_A

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2014, 09:41:47 AM »
Okay, why is Lawsonia in free fall? 

Is Barton Hills poised to jump significantly next year like Old Town did this year?

Where is Tobacco Road - not top 200 or did I miss something?

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Jason Thurman

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2014, 09:42:51 AM »
Ouch Lawsonia. What happened?
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Mark Saltzman

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2014, 09:44:24 AM »

Is Barton Hills poised to jump significantly next year like Old Town did this year?



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Interesting that they chose not to show the average rating for the Next 100s.  I think less ratings are required to be on the Next 100 than the main list so the courses at the top of the Next 100s could be well up on the main lists if they had the votes.

Howard Riefs

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2014, 10:06:52 AM »

Is Barton Hills poised to jump significantly next year like Old Town did this year?


It already skyrocketed from 185 to 101 this year. 



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Mac Plumart

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2014, 10:08:54 AM »
I think the GA state rankings are taking good form.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Kyle Casella

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2014, 10:16:03 AM »
Can someone explain the methodology or link to it? Having trouble finding it on the website.

Jud_T

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2014, 10:19:08 AM »
Nice to see Bandon Trails finally getting the credit it deserves in some very tough company at the resort, even if it does come at Kingsley's expense.  Lawsonia's freefall makes no sense whatsoever.  Palmetto drops 23 spots?  It's not as if these are new courses that are trying to find their true level.  Brad, you got some 'splainin' to do...

« Last Edit: March 19, 2014, 10:33:19 AM by JTigerman »
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Garland Bayley

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2014, 10:31:55 AM »
Dismal Doak 39
Dismal Nicklaus 152
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Howard Riefs

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2014, 10:39:50 AM »
I think the GA state rankings are taking good form.

Sea Island Retreat course is a new entrant on the Georgia state rankings at #7.  Did it have recent work?

2013 list for reference:
http://golfweek.com/news/2013/mar/07/2013-golfweeks-best-courses-state-state/?RANKINGS-GolfweeksBest
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Kevin_D

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2014, 10:40:31 AM »
Stonewall Old #93!

Jason Topp

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2014, 10:41:14 AM »
Congratulations to Dunlop White!

Terry Lavin

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2014, 10:49:59 AM »
Beverly CC in Chicago snuck back into the Top 100 at 93.   
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Michael Moore

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2014, 10:53:58 AM »
Squire Creek ranked ahead of Hawk's Ridge ! ! !
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Jud_T

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2014, 10:54:40 AM »
Some Modern moves of note:

Dunes Club +5
Streamsong Blue -4
Greywalls +12
Hazeltine +20
Dormie -20
Lost Dunes -12
Black Diamond (Quarry) -24
Caledonia -15
Erin Hills +18
Dismal Nicklaus +41
Rustic Canyon -23
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Mac Plumart

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2014, 10:54:56 AM »
Congratulations to Dunlop White!

+1

Congrats!
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Jud_T

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2014, 11:04:33 AM »
Can someone explain the methodology or link to it? Having trouble finding it on the website.

http://www.wsj-classified.com/downloads/Golfweek_Rater_Handbook_2009_2010.pdf

Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Jim Colton

Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2014, 11:08:02 AM »
Some Modern moves of note:

Dunes Club +5
Streamsong Blue -4
Greywalls +12
Hazeltine +20
Dormie -20
Lost Dunes -12
Black Diamond (Quarry) -24
Caledonia -15
Erin Hills +18
Dismal Nicklaus +41
Rustic Canyon -23


How about Paa-Ko Ridge going from 63 to 96 and Black Mesa going from 89 to 137. Did a group of GWers lose a lot of money in the casinos?
« Last Edit: March 19, 2014, 11:16:06 AM by Jim Colton »

Jason Thurman

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2014, 11:09:20 AM »
Obviously these lists really only exist to get clicks, sell magazines, and provoke discussion. On that front the Golfweek list does just fine.

But when you have classic courses moving 20 or more spots in one direction or another, even without a renovation being done or a total collapse in course conditions, it becomes really hard to take the list seriously. Irrespective of our personal feelings about the list, any process that produces that much variation in an essentially closed system - there aren't any new Classic courses getting built - is too flawed to fret too much over (unless you're in the industry and a few rating points might help your course secure a little more revenue, in which case it really stinks).

It's fun to argue about though. I'll give it that.
"There will always be haters. That’s just the way it is. Hating dudes marry hating women and have hating ass kids." - Evan Turner

Some of y'all have never been called out in bold green font and it really shows.

Sean_A

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2014, 11:13:04 AM »
What about Belvedere?  I am as big a fan as any, but I am struggling to see how the course is 142 in its current state of Belveder Light - unless bunker work etc happened drecently?

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Garland Bayley

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2014, 11:30:54 AM »
With the exception of Nanea, Tom Fazio owns 101 to 109.  :o
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Jud_T

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2014, 11:31:28 AM »
Tamarack CC +31 with a bullet!  Is Fazio the king of new buzz courses that start drifting lower the day after their first ranking?
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Brad Klein

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2014, 11:32:31 AM »
Old Town Club under Coore restoration moved light years ahead, unprecedented for a Classic Course. Lawsonia maintenance decline finally caught up with it. Small changes can have big effects with tight clustering outside of top 25.

Howard Riefs

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Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2014, 11:33:47 AM »
Some Modern moves of note:

Dunes Club +5
Streamsong Blue -4
Greywalls +12
Hazeltine +20
Dormie -20
Lost Dunes -12
Black Diamond (Quarry) -24
Caledonia -15
Erin Hills +18
Dismal Nicklaus +41
Rustic Canyon -23

Black Sheep +18

A nice reward for Dave Esler in putting up with us at last night's GCA Chicago dinner.

"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

Jim Colton

Re: New Golfweek's Best: 2014 Rankings
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2014, 11:40:46 AM »
Old Town Club under Coore restoration moved light years ahead, unprecedented for a Classic Course. Lawsonia maintenance decline finally caught up with it. Small changes can have big effects with tight clustering outside of top 25.

Brad,
 
 This is interesting given Lawsonia's scores have been climbing since 2009. I haven't been there in years, but has the conditioning deteriorated significantly in 2013 relative to prior years? Was the roll-off of old scores? How many new votes did you get in 2013 enough to drop it from 7.34 to something below 6.84?

2013 7.34
2012 7.30
2011 7.23
2010 7.19
2009 7.17

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