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MClutterbuck

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2015, 04:10:00 PM »
Here is the link to the story.

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/hanse-says-olympic-golf-course-complete/

The Latina American Amateur Championship starts Thursday in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Winner gets a spot at the Masters. There is speculation that it will be played at the Rio Olympic Course in January of 2016, and it would serve as a test event for the Olympics. The other rumor is that Teeth of the Dog is the 2016 venue. Anyway, the announcement comes tomorrow.
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Howard Riefs

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2015, 12:47:10 PM »
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Jason Way

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2015, 03:21:54 PM »
Has anyone seen the video of the press conference?  It was interesting, with multiple pics of the course.  I have been looking for it and can't find it online.
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MClutterbuck

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2015, 11:47:59 AM »

Geoff Shackelford posted links to great photos of the Rio course. Link below.

http://www.geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2015/1/26/blame-it-on-the-olympics-rio-mayor-laments-golf-course.html

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Ben Hollerbach

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2015, 12:15:33 PM »
While the quality of the course is yet to be seen, I can't help but feel that this course could one day be spoken in the same light as Lido. With the mayor and the city's seeming indifference to the future of the course, this place could be completely grown over by 2018. If the course plays as good as it looks it would be a shame for the city to abandon the property post Olympics.
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MClutterbuck

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2015, 04:27:06 PM »
Brazil lacks good golf courses. In fact, it might have less than a handful of better than mediocre public or even private club courses (I know there are some single owner courses that might or might not be any good). It has little history of golf and until recently no good players to look up to. This is changing. A huge part of the population is better off these days and disposable income increasing. Within the 2 largest cities with tens of millions in population, there is virtually zero chance of another golf course being built. The mayor is speaking to his socialist leaning electorate but will soon realize there is a huge revenue opportunity from Brazilians and tourists alike. I believe there is a good chance that the course survives well into the future if management is privatized and is properly run with a buisness model similar to top tier courses in the rest of South America. Both the LAAC and PGA Tour Latinoamerica should quickly schedule 2017-18 events on this course. 

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Howard Riefs

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2015, 02:43:27 PM »
The test event for the Olympic golf course in Rio will take place in the first quarter of 2016, says IGF:

http://golfweek.com/news/2015/jul/13/olympic-golf-course-2016-rio-brazil-test-event-igf/
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Greg Tallman

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2015, 04:56:14 PM »
Quote from: MClutterbuck on January 29, 2015, 04:27:06 PM
Brazil lacks good golf courses. In fact, it might have less than a handful of better than mediocre public or even private club courses (I know there are some single owner courses that might or might not be any good). It has little history of golf and until recently no good players to look up to. This is changing. A huge part of the population is better off these days and disposable income increasing. Within the 2 largest cities with tens of millions in population, there is virtually zero chance of another golf course being built. The mayor is speaking to his socialist leaning electorate but will soon realize there is a huge revenue opportunity from Brazilians and tourists alike. I believe there is a good chance that the course survives well into the future if management is privatized and is properly run with a buisness model similar to top tier courses in the rest of South America. Both the LAAC and PGA Tour Latinoamerica should quickly schedule 2017-18 events on this course.

I believe the 2017 LAAC will be held in Los Cabos, Mexico. Not 100% but seems likely.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2015, 06:27:42 PM »
Quote from: Howard Riefs on July 13, 2015, 02:43:27 PM
The test event for the Olympic golf course in Rio will take place in the first quarter of 2016, says IGF:


I wonder what they're "testing" ?  It would be too late to make any substantial change to the course even if they found they wanted to.
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Clyde Johnson

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2015, 07:03:29 PM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on July 13, 2015, 06:27:42 PM
Quote from: Howard Riefs on July 13, 2015, 02:43:27 PM
The test event for the Olympic golf course in Rio will take place in the first quarter of 2016, says IGF:


I wonder what they're "testing" ?  It would be too late to make any substantial change to the course even if they found they wanted to.

Is it not just all part of the 'process' ? Keeping the bureaucrats happy/paid!? Testing logistics, support infrastructure etc.

When I was with the Project Management team for London 2012, if I remember correctly, there was a big emphasis on the testing period. That was more about getting building/safety 'regs' signed off, mind you.

I'm really not sure what red tape would need crossing for a golf course, a good one anyway. No doubt the Olympic Organisation/politicians could find a way...!
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #60 on: July 13, 2015, 07:31:30 PM »
Can Hanse survive being in bed with both the IOC and Trump?  What possibly could be next?
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Wayne_Kozun

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #61 on: July 14, 2015, 01:56:19 PM »
They pretty much always run events at Olympic venues beforehand as a dry run for logistics, infrastructure, etc. like Clyde said.  It allows them to make adjustments for things like crowd flows, getting people to events, whether there are enough washrooms and food outlets, athletes facilities, warm-up capabilities, etc.

But I really wonder if there will be enough people out at this event to be able to tell enough of that.  Maybe there won't be anyone attending the golf at the games either. 

We are having the PanAm games in Toronto right now and golf is included - they are playing at Angus Glen.  The tickets cost $50 and the players are all no-names since Brooke Henderson pulled out.
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Howard Riefs

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #62 on: July 23, 2015, 10:18:41 AM »
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Wayne_Kozun

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #63 on: July 23, 2015, 10:28:58 AM »
The photos aren't great so it is hard to tell but it looks like the course is very flat.
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Kalen Braley

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« Reply #64 on: March 04, 2016, 11:36:13 AM »
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JJShanley

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #65 on: March 04, 2016, 12:41:27 PM »
I don't blame players for not taking time out of their established schedule to play a test event. 
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jeffwarne

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #66 on: March 04, 2016, 04:36:05 PM »
What a horrible article.
The Olympics are in August.
Players will prepare then.


If there was a plane heading to Pebble in a US Open year, with the Tour in Massachussets, would players go?
Doral's a pretty big week, and that kind've travel takes something out of player.


Lots of conclusions jumped to from a pooly conceived idea.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #67 on: March 04, 2016, 04:46:26 PM »
Jeff,

Fair enough....my only counter to that is.

Everyone on tour has already played Pebble from dozens of times to over 100+ rounds and there are no surprises/suspense. As opposed to the new course in RIo which I suspect is unknown to everyone on tour!!

I didn't think it was that unreasonable, but it seems to be these guys aren't too interested.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #68 on: March 04, 2016, 05:12:54 PM »
Zika is a now a STD. Why would anyone go?
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #69 on: March 04, 2016, 05:29:55 PM »
Fantastic logic John,

I'm guessing you won't be going to Texas then either...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/02/health/zika-virus-sexual-contact-texas/
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #70 on: March 04, 2016, 06:10:57 PM »
If I go to Texas it will be to see Mahaffey. If I get him pregnant we will deal with it appropriately.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #71 on: March 05, 2016, 04:37:17 PM »
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on March 04, 2016, 06:10:57 PM
If I go to Texas it will be to see Mahaffey. If I get him pregnant we will deal with it appropriately.


Not in rural Texas you won't.
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MClutterbuck

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #72 on: March 07, 2016, 12:51:32 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on March 04, 2016, 04:46:26 PM
Jeff,

Fair enough....my only counter to that is.

Everyone on tour has already played Pebble from dozens of times to over 100+ rounds and there are no surprises/suspense. As opposed to the new course in RIo which I suspect is unknown to everyone on tour!!

I didn't think it was that unreasonable, but it seems to be these guys aren't too interested.


While I  believe players (and their sponsors) will eventually be very interested in the Olympics, spending 2 short nights on a plane from MIA to Rio is dumb for these guys at this stage. They need to save energies for the rest of the year. They will have plenty of time to practice the course.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #73 on: March 07, 2016, 12:58:26 PM »
Quote from: MClutterbuck on March 07, 2016, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: Kalen Braley on March 04, 2016, 04:46:26 PM
Jeff,

Fair enough....my only counter to that is.

Everyone on tour has already played Pebble from dozens of times to over 100+ rounds and there are no surprises/suspense. As opposed to the new course in RIo which I suspect is unknown to everyone on tour!!

I didn't think it was that unreasonable, but it seems to be these guys aren't too interested.


While I  believe players (and their sponsors) will eventually be very interested in the Olympics, spending 2 short nights on a plane from MIA to Rio is dumb for these guys at this stage. They need to save energies for the rest of the year. They will have plenty of time to practice the course.

I get the 2-3 week long trips overseas is pretty grueling for these guys as it would be for anyone...

But we're talking about a one off all expenses paid chartered flight, with 1st class seating and the fully monty on everything else... boo hoo for them, spoiled babies.  ;) 

Besides they already take 2-4 combined months off during the year, so they get plenty of rest...
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MClutterbuck

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Re: Odds on Rio golf, 2016?
« Reply #74 on: March 07, 2016, 01:11:46 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on March 07, 2016, 12:58:26 PM
Quote from: MClutterbuck on March 07, 2016, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: Kalen Braley on March 04, 2016, 04:46:26 PM
Jeff,

Fair enough....my only counter to that is.

Everyone on tour has already played Pebble from dozens of times to over 100+ rounds and there are no surprises/suspense. As opposed to the new course in RIo which I suspect is unknown to everyone on tour!!

I didn't think it was that unreasonable, but it seems to be these guys aren't too interested.


While I  believe players (and their sponsors) will eventually be very interested in the Olympics, spending 2 short nights on a plane from MIA to Rio is dumb for these guys at this stage. They need to save energies for the rest of the year. They will have plenty of time to practice the course.

I get the 2-3 week long trips overseas is pretty grueling for these guys as it would be for anyone...

But we're talking about a one off all expenses paid chartered flight, with 1st class seating and the fully monty on everything else... boo hoo for them, spoiled babies.  ;) 

Besides they already take 2-4 combined months off during the year, so they get plenty of rest...


Even in first class seats you do not get more than 5 hours sleep. Traffic to and from GIG to the course is a mess. I made those roundtrip no hotel night flights a lot when i was 28-32. Not good for your body.
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