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Golf Course Architecture / Re: New v. Comfort of Familiarity
« Last post by Peter Pallotta on December 15, 2017, 08:42:55 PM »
Jim - as inevitably is the case around here, we all speak out of our own experiences. Mine is that I play a type/class of golf course not nearly as good as the one you and others likely do. And when courses are without much architectural interest/quality, the charm of the familiar just doesn’t compensate for the lack of new/fresh playing experience(s).
(One of the reasons I play many rounds with persimmon and old blades is to try to self-create some of that newness, eg ideal angles becoming more important when coming in with a 6 iron instead of a PW).
Which is to say: yes, you’re probably right about what those private courses offer, but to some of us that combination of familiarity and freshness is rarer than you might realize. 
I suppose the well-known and revered architects past and present who designed the courses you reference are well known and revered precisely because they had the talent to create courses that could happily be played and enjoyed every day.

Golf Course Architecture / Re: Weak Holes
« Last post by cary lichtenstein on December 15, 2017, 08:14:49 PM »
Look at Pebble Beach...weak holes 1,2,3,4,6,7
That was inspiring....really cool the club allowed that kind of access. To those who have played, do you just walk through the waste areas on your way to the greens since raking is not encourage?
Probably my #2 after NGLA, and after too many years here on, I have to say it:

Cut down MORE trees !! ;D :-[ :)

It's so good and it could be better. The corridors are wide, the conditioning is great, and yet....

It could be better! I know, this is a silly comment!! But that is who WE are!!!

Wow, that's really a nice walk thru!  Catches the beauty and difficulty .

What you can't see is the elevation changes which are so crazy for Southern NJ .  Certainly it doesn't have fall like Augusta or some of the great courses in Ireland , but its not flat .  I really like that you play some uphill tee shots which seem to be so much better visually to me.  I know that's a little wacky, perhaps its the water I drank here growing up .

At the end of the day it's still the greens that make Pine Valley extra special . Crump had such great imagination for tying the edges together . The interior contours aren't at all choppy.  No staccato here. When you get a putt rolling on the right line it just keeps breaking til it reaches its fitting end , in the hole!

Really well done aerials , enjoy.
Great video-thanks for posting
Is it me or do the bunkers look much "cleaner" and more formalized-?e  ven away from the greens.
Seems I remember the only formal bunkers being near greens and the rest having a much more sandy gnarly "don't want to be there"uneven sandy waste weed/pine look.

Of course it's been 25 years......
Golf Course Architecture / Re: New v. Comfort of Familiarity
« Last post by Jim_Kennedy on December 15, 2017, 05:33:02 PM »
Would there be any private clubs on the planet if the experience wasn't all those things - comfortable, pleasurable, and occasionally 'new'?

Golf Course Architecture / Re: Some Humble And Some Not-So Humble Beginnings
« Last post by Jim_Kennedy on December 15, 2017, 05:19:30 PM »
O is Brancaster (but thought it was Leven at first...)

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Nice going.
Finally played Leatherstocking this summer and I loved it. It plays much longer than the card and was just enormous fun.

Really great to see Rockville Links mentioned. I never heard anything about it when I played it for an fundraiser, and was amazed again at the fun aspect of the course. Yes it is dead flat as Mark mentions, but he found a way to make it interesting and fun.

That is a really great list of "below the radar" courses for future adventure. Nice job and thanks Mark.

Golf Course Architecture / Re: RTJ Golf Trail in Alabama
« Last post by Morgan Clawson on December 15, 2017, 05:03:20 PM »

I visited The Trail quite a few times when it was in it formative stages. 

I will echo what others have said - evening dining options can be very limited in the small towns where some of these courses are located.  One year I think we went to McDonald's 3+ times because nothing else was open.

Accordingly, I would include Oxmoor Valley in your trifecta. It's in suburban Birmingham, and there are good dining options in Birmingham.  The Ridge course was fun and had some unique holes. The Valley course was pretty forgettable.

The other 2 sights that are close to Oxmoor Valley are Grand National in Auburn/Opelika and Cambrian Ridge in Greenville.  I used to monitor the Golf Digest course ratings quite a bit, and the 2 Grand National courses were often ranked the highest of The Trail courses.  They are also more walkable than the Oxmoor Valley and Cambrian Ridge courses.   Oxmoor and Cambrian are built on some pretty hilly sites.

As other have stated, you probably won't see anything unique architecturally.  But, I always had fun on those trips!

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