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Golf Course Architecture / Re: Par threes at Haarbor Town

« Last post by Mark_Fine on April 21, 2024, 04:49:58 PM »

Tommy,
I am biased a bit about Harbour Town because it is basically my home course but the par threes are absolutely fantastic.  Yes they are very difficult especially for the higher handicapper or if you play the wrong tees but they are exciting and rewarding to play.  I had a friend down a few weeks ago and he birdied the 17th which was playing into a stiff wind and it was one of the highlights of his golfing career (and he has played a lot of great golf courses).  He hit it to three feet on a back left hole location.
Also, to me “card length” is not all that critical.  Those holes call all play all different distances.  Look where they play for The Heritage - they change the length for some by 30 or more yards.  You should never judge a hole or holes by just the card yardage in my opinion. 
 
By the way, 13 and 15 at Augusta are considered by many to be two of the best risk reward par fives in golf and you could easily lose a golf ball in the water on both 

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Golf Course Architecture / Re: What happened to TIger's game after the cut?

« Last post by David_Tepper on April 21, 2024, 04:48:11 PM »

To paraphrase Marcel Proust:

"Never meet your heroes. You are likely to be disappointed." 

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Golf Course Architecture / Par threes at Harbour Town

« Last post by Tommy Williamsen on April 21, 2024, 04:11:41 PM »

On the Harbor Town thread, it was suggested that it had one of the best collections of threes in the country.
Number 4 200 yards

Number 7 195 yards


Number 14 192 yards


Number 17 185 yards


Can we really say that it is a great collection with four water holes of similar lengths? They certainly are difficult and keep you on your toes, but how many 15 handicappers will play them without losing a ball or two?

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Golf Course Architecture / Re: Harbour Town Golf Links

« Last post by John Foley on April 21, 2024, 04:11:06 PM »

I was surprised that it wasn't tighter from what I had heard. A few points:


- Many of the greens are TINY! Especially 18.
- It demands creativity in the shot making.
- Amazed by the aggressive play on #15. That was a tough hole when I played the these guys just hoist the 2nd sht over the trees or sling it around them. Just amazing.

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Golf Course Architecture / Re: Harbour Town Golf Links

« Last post by Rob Marshall on April 21, 2024, 04:01:36 PM »

I'll grant you that all four par threes are strong, and they are a handful for the pros, but don't you think four par threes with water are overkill? I wonder how many 15 handicappers play all four without losing a ball.

Tommy,
Water really isn’t in play on 7 and not too bad on 17. The other two it’s huge.

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Golf Course Architecture / Re: Artistic routing drawings / paintings

« Last post by Jaeger Kovich on April 21, 2024, 03:20:35 PM »

Ally - my associate nick and I can help. Check out my website www.propergolf.com. You’ll see a few examples of our 100 scale plans that are often done in the style of the original architect or a unique style of my own that brings out the best parts of the courses character.

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Golf Course Architecture / Re: Harbour Town Golf Links

« Last post by Tommy Williamsen on April 21, 2024, 03:08:23 PM »

Having played Harbour Town before - it is wider than you think and it does ask you questions on how to play it properly. Pete


Pity there isn't really any Pete Dye course in the UK it would have spiced things up here - we have to go to Europe to play one.

It is odd that he doesn't have a course in GB&I. He must have been offered a job.

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Golf Course Architecture / Re: Artistic routing drawings / paintings

« Last post by Greg Hohman on April 21, 2024, 02:27:58 PM »

Ally, the Ed Oden routings thread is a treasure trove. A wonderful presentation of the original Shennecosset exists. Whether it’s the one from 1919 posted on the thread is unknown because of the Photobucket issue.

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Golf Course Architecture / Re: Artistic routing drawings / paintings

« Last post by Adam G on April 21, 2024, 02:00:09 PM »

https://www.outandingolf.shop/

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Golf Course Architecture / Re: Artistic routing drawings / paintings

« Last post by Joe_Tucholski on April 21, 2024, 01:37:36 PM »

Could anyone share with me the name of artists who could potentially be engaged to produce a large scale routing painting / drawing?


Examples of the work / style would also be most welcome.


(For instance I know Mike Cocking does lovely watercolours. Who else?)


EDIT - This is for an old, traditional club so a sense of time and place is important.

Lee Wybranski.  Recently saw him on a Tom Coyne video about the Philly area golf courses.  It looks like he's done a few course routing paintings.


Links to both the Coyne video (I enjoyed seeing the courses) and then an example of a painting he did of the routing at Atlantic City.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=8yTYzLmV5jU


https://leewybranski.com/product/atlantic-city-country-club-course-map-print/




I do have to wonder why they don't get original sketches of the routing and produce high quality images that they make larger.