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To challenge the hype that The Cradle could be played all on the ground, I played it today, for the first time, with a single club an original hickory muscle back approach cleek. The first time around I realized that it was possible but my game sucked. the second time around I was one over after 6 giving up 3 doubles on the final 3. The course was a blast. For all but a few pin positions the the ground game worked.
The course though not crowed always seemed to have a group on the first tee. I saw 3 generations playing together from the same tees on this Sunday afternoon in December. I saw what I took to be a couple of college golfers hitting great shots and being rejected for not being precise enough. What a great resource for Pinehurst golfers of all ages and abilities.
Golf Course Architecture / Re: Fun but Challenging
« Last post by Peter Pallotta on Yesterday at 06:09:07 PM »
Lou touches on the relevant point.
There are many different ways to have fun playing golf, even for the "average golfer".
I think that's important to remember -- lest we end up with too fixed and prescribed a notion of what qualifies as top flight golf course architecture.
I mean, even in the areas of art, philosophy and theology, the experts now agree that the Dark Ages weren't nearly as dark as the Renaissance first made them out to be.

Golf Course Architecture / Re: Golf Related Maps
« Last post by Sven Nilsen on Yesterday at 04:51:14 PM »
Anybody know what became of Wheaton Golf Club?

Wheaton GC had three different locations starting in 1900.  Around 1919 the club went under, and the course was operated as a daily fee and then as Green Valley CC.  Green Valley stuck around until the 1960's.
Golf Course Architecture / Re: Changes to St Enodoc's Tenth
« Last post by Sean_A on Yesterday at 04:21:14 PM »
I can understand Scott's point, the 10th is at best ungainly and at worst, for those relying on the convential, an awful hole.  IMO, golf courses need holes like the 10th if only for controversy.  Liking or disliking the hole is immaterial.  That said, for flat bellies today, the hill can be carried making the hole a doddle...I have seen it done. 

Golf Course Architecture / Re: Fun but Challenging
« Last post by Thomas Dai on Yesterday at 03:57:50 PM »
One, if not the greatest, fun aspect in golf is the thrill of getting a hole-in-one. Achieving one is also a challenge. But itís not a challenge if the par-3 in question is so long that you canít reach the green! No chance, no challenge (no fun?).
So, should par-3ís in particular have a tee thatís waaaaaaaay forward?
Golf Course Architecture / Re: Fun but Challenging
« Last post by Wade Whitehead on Yesterday at 03:17:06 PM »
I think the best golf courses reveal themselves over time.  The requires repeated plays, preferably in different conditions.

A first time guest of mine at Ballyhack once remarked (over lunch), "That's one hell of a hard golf course."  That evening, over dinner and after a second tour, he said, "That's one hell of a fun golf course."  Options that aren't immediately obvious become apparent, gradually, and the initial impression of difficulty weathers some as preferred lines, subtle bounces, and strategic options begin to appear.

In a way, the fun is disguised - or at least overshadowed - by the initial challenge.

This is true at other places too.  Pine Valley, Bandon Trails, and Tobacco Road all come to mind.

Golf Course Architecture / Re: Golf Related Maps
« Last post by Sven Nilsen on Yesterday at 03:01:00 PM »

The Cal Club started on the old SFGC Ingleside course, taking over the property after SFGC moved to its new site, and when Cal Club moved to its new property in 1926 the course became known as Ingleside GC.

Golf Course Architecture / Re: Seth Raynor's Siblings
« Last post by Cal S on Yesterday at 02:43:54 PM »

Interesting insight from a living relative. "There are only two known interviews with Raynor and his direct quotes add up to fewer than a hundred words. He and Minta never had children, contrary to what the book Evangelist of Golf suggests, so that there were no direct descendants to preserve his legacy."
Golf Course Architecture / Re: RTJ Golf Trail in Alabama
« Last post by Brock Peyer on Yesterday at 02:39:37 PM »
I played two of them on a trip earlier this year, one near Anniston, which I liked ok, and one in Birmingham.  Unfortunately, without googling them, I can't remember either of their names but both were in good condition and at a nice price point which are two things needed in golf. 
Stunning. I've played a lot of great golf courses, but I've never seen anything like that. I can't imagine breaking 100 on Pine Valley.

First time I played it I was 17 and hit every fairway and shot 87...I was like a +1 at the time and playing really well...

I was there for a couple of nights in October, a mate off a solid 2 knocked it around in 72 first time out. He was -2 through 11 then charged a 20í birdie putt on 12 and had three straight bogies. Four pars to finish for a nice 72 and a tidy win in the match.

Whilst PV may look choked by trees itís amazing how few really affect play. Those on 11 are strategic, itís really only those on 13 that ďget in the wayĒ and change how the course was in years gone by.
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