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Title: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: HRiefs on December 06, 2017, 04:20:52 PM
Golf Digest announced its best new courses for 2017…
https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017 (https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017)
 
 
Best New
1st Place: Sand Valley Golf Resort (C&C)
2nd Place: Silo Ridge Field Club (Fazio)
3rd Place: Mossy Oak Golf Club (Hanse)
 
Best Remodel
1st Place: Monterey Peninsula Country Club, Dunes Course (Fazio)
2nd Place: Quail Hollow Club (Fazio)
3rd Place: Torrey Pines Municipal Golf Course, North Course (Weiskopf)
 
Best Renovation
1st Place: TPC Sawgrass, Players Stadium Course (Wenzloff)
2nd Place: Makena Golf & Beach Club (Wise)
3rd Place: Shoal Creek (Nicklaus and Lipe)
 
Best Restoration
1st Place: The Greenbrier, Old White TPC Course (Foster)
2nd Place: Sankaty Head Golf Club (Urbina)
3rd Place: Golden Horseshoe Golf Club, Gold Course (Rees Jones)


Congrats to Jim on Sankaty!
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: PCCraig on December 06, 2017, 05:11:01 PM
How intensive was the work at Sankaty?
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Conley Hurst on December 06, 2017, 08:05:29 PM
Has anyone seen Silo Ridge? Quite short for a new Fazio course at just under 6800.
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Michael Wolf on December 06, 2017, 10:24:04 PM
The pictures from Shoal Creek and Makena appear to be reversed. Shoal Creek does not have cart paths.
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: jeffwarne on December 06, 2017, 11:52:28 PM
There's not seriously a best "remodel" and a best "renovation" ::) ::) ::) ::)
thus creating room for a future best "restoration"








Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Tom_Doak on December 07, 2017, 05:21:49 AM
Did they say how many new courses there were?
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Anthony_Nysse on December 07, 2017, 05:54:37 AM
TPC Sawgrass changes #12 and regrasses greens and its considered a renovation. And wins. That will help sell magazines.
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: jeffwarne on December 07, 2017, 06:01:17 AM
TPC Sawgrass changes #12 and regrasses greens and its considered a renovation. And wins. That will help sell magazines.


Don't they win that award every year?


Hopefully they're eligible for a restoration award soon...
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Adam Lawrence on December 07, 2017, 06:09:32 AM
Odd attributions. Why does JWL get credit for Shoal Creek but Jackson & Kahn nothing for MPCC? (not meaning to say Jim doesn't deserve it btw, just in case he's reading  :)  )
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Mike Feeney on December 07, 2017, 07:50:52 AM
Re Sankaty Head.   Jim Urbina work comprehensive...Master Plan'ish.  Special emphasis on bunkers.

Lengthy YouTube's of Fall 2016 progress. Here is 1 of many: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0GSIRY0mms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0GSIRY0mms).

Impressive
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Ryan Farrow on December 07, 2017, 08:12:25 AM
Odd attributions. Why does JWL get credit for Shoal Creek but Jackson & Kahn nothing for MPCC? (not meaning to say Jim doesn't deserve it btw, just in case he's reading  :)  )






Adam,


Jackson Kahn received credit in the online and print edition of this article (original poster did not include):
[size=1rem]Best Remodel -- 1st Place: Monterey Peninsula Country Club (Dunes Course)

Pebble Beach, California[/size][size=inherit]Private Course. Tom Fazio, redesigner with Tim Jackson of Jackson Kahn Design.[/size][size=1rem]


This is a head scratcher about Sand Valley, the reviewer must have been talking about Mammoth Dunes:


[/size]"The average green size is 10,000 square feet, which allows higher handicap golfers the ability to get on in regulation and score from there…"[/size][size=1rem]

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Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Ryan Farrow on December 07, 2017, 08:14:45 AM
And last time I check, no palm trees in West Virgina: https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017#10 (https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017#10)

Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Joe Hancock on December 07, 2017, 08:52:43 AM
And last time I check, no palm trees in West Virgina: https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017#10 (https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017#10)


I also like their editing, which uses the word “quark” instead of “quirk”...maybe a nod towards impending nuclear events?  :P
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Tim Martin on December 07, 2017, 09:07:41 AM
What is the intended distinction between "remodel" and "renovate"?
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Anthony_Nysse on December 07, 2017, 09:51:35 AM

TPC Sawgrass changes #12 and regrasses greens and its considered a renovation. And wins. That will help sell magazines.


Don't they win that award every year?


Hopefully they're eligible for a restoration award soon...


The pics of the original TPC are incredible to me. So much scrub grass and true, sandy, waste areas.
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Anthony_Nysse on December 07, 2017, 09:52:37 AM

And last time I check, no palm trees in West Virgina: https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017#10 (https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017#10)


Global warming? :)
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Ryan Hillenbrand on December 07, 2017, 09:58:45 AM
Was the Old White restoration purely because of the flood? I'm surprised it counted as a restoration as Lester George had restored it to the CBM design principles originally. I assumed Keith Foster was just putting it back together.
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: MCirba on December 07, 2017, 10:22:42 AM
Did Keith Foster get paid for his work?   

That would be novel for Justice.


As far as the GD list, whither Streamsong Black and resto of Winged Foot?   

Golden Horseshoe???
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Mark Pritchett on December 07, 2017, 11:17:11 AM
It is a shame LACC did not get recognition for the outstanding work done on the South Course.   
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Anthony_Nysse on December 07, 2017, 11:23:42 AM

Did Keith Foster get paid for his work?   

That would be novel for Justice.


As far as the GD list, whither Streamsong Black and resto of Winged Foot?   

Golden Horseshoe???


Keith was already schedule to do the work and it was fast forwarded after the flood.
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Ira Fishman on December 07, 2017, 11:32:41 AM
Was the Old White restoration purely because of the flood? I'm surprised it counted as a restoration as Lester George had restored it to the CBM design principles originally. I assumed Keith Foster was just putting it back together.


http://www.golfcoursearchitecture.net/content/old-white-ready-to-host-2017-greenbrier-classic


According to Mr. Foster, he made substantial changes.  I really liked the course before the floods and look forward to playing it again post-Foster work.


Ira
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Conley Hurst on December 07, 2017, 02:25:15 PM
I played the renovated Old White this past September and was impressed by Foster's work. The greens were largely similar to the pre-flood version though a few were significantly reshaped or repositioned (7, 12, 14, and 18 come to mind). The most striking change was the bunkering. Some of the green side bunkering is quite severe now, and visually the course is much more appealing. Unfortunately the ridiculous greens fee hasn't changed....
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Carl Nichols on December 08, 2017, 08:50:05 AM
Did Keith Foster get paid for his work?   

That would be novel for Justice.


As far as the GD list, whither Streamsong Black and resto of Winged Foot?   

Golden Horseshoe???


I wonder whether there was some opening date cutoff. 
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: JC Jones on December 08, 2017, 12:48:32 PM
It is a shame LACC did not get recognition for the outstanding work done on the South Course.   


I'll second this.  LACC(s) is absolutely deserving of a high ranking.
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Michael Wolf on December 08, 2017, 01:01:15 PM
Did Keith Foster get paid for his work?   

That would be novel for Justice.


As far as the GD list, whither Streamsong Black and resto of Winged Foot?   

Golden Horseshoe???


I wonder whether there was some opening date cutoff.


Streamsong Black and Winged Foot were not on the list of candidates, but LACC South was
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Tommy Williamsen on December 09, 2017, 10:24:31 AM
There is a cut off date. It's not carved in stone but panelists need to be able to see the courses in a reasonable time by the cut off date for the ballot submission of Labor Day. Some courses that would qualify by date would like to hold off a year to be considered. Some courses do not want to participate in the best new categories.
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: John Kavanaugh on December 09, 2017, 10:48:51 AM
Or maybe we can pray to God that a great course like LACC doesn't accept unaccompanied rater play. Come on, with this new pay $1000 rate, skate or donate card why would they?
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Tom Bacsanyi on December 10, 2017, 11:38:39 AM

TPC Sawgrass changes #12 and regrasses greens and its considered a renovation. And wins. That will help sell magazines.


Don't they win that award every year?


Hopefully they're eligible for a restoration award soon...


The pics of the original TPC are incredible to me. So much scrub grass and true, sandy, waste areas.


Tony, any links to said pics?  They are difficult to find, seems the Tour wants to sweep them down the memory hole.
Title: Re: Golf Digest - Best new courses 2017
Post by: Joel_Stewart on December 10, 2017, 07:48:41 PM
There's not seriously a best "remodel" and a best "renovation" ::) ::) ::) ::)
thus creating room for a future best "restoration"


I'm glad they are identifying the differences. Finally.


With that said, with the typos and various mistakes it makes you wonder how many people are actually working at Golf Digest?