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Title: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Carl Rogers on December 04, 2017, 09:08:18 PM
A number of threads have discussed the perceived weak holes.  Let's start from the other direction: which hole(s) do you like?
For me:
Hole 3: short par 4 in which the mini tour player might bogey and 15 handicapper might birdie, wild multi segmented green
Hole 7: longish par 3 calling for left to right shot and a bail out left, hard hard hole
Hole 11: uphill par 4 attractive green site
Hole 16: medium length par 3, good hole for the short straight hitter, another attractive green site.
Title: Re: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Matt Wharton on December 04, 2017, 09:25:08 PM
Have played Dormie a few times through the years and always thought the following about these holes:
No. 3 - Very short and the multilevel green requires great accuracy with a wedge.
No. 6 - This Par 5 is deceptively downhill following the tee shot (look back towards tee from approach).
No. 8 - There was no Par on the original scorecard and I've always felt this hole was an excellent Par 4 1/2!
No. 13 - This long Par 4 is bunkerless and doesn't need any, must keep tee shot on proper side of fairway.
No. 14 - Short Par 4 invites one to pull driver but brings trouble if not properly placed.
No. 15 - Difficult driving hole with long carry over ravine. Blind second too.
No. 17 - Steep climb on this Par 5!


Fun course!
Title: Re: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Sean_A on December 04, 2017, 09:28:23 PM
I agree with #3. 

#4 is cool because of the hanging green.

The wee 12th is a good example of a short par 3...really like the rear right bunker. 

The simplicity of the 13th is very attractive.

#15's drama is a keeper.

Ciao
Title: Re: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Christian Newton on December 04, 2017, 09:33:42 PM
After six rounds in the last year and a half, I find myself most looking forward to the 13-14-15 sequence. All two-shotters, each thoughtful and demanding, and in different ways. Each demands, I'd think for many, different clubs and shapes off the tee and certainly into the green-site. To me 13-14-15 are the beating heart of the course and speak to the strength generally of the two-shot holes at Dormie. The approach on 15 has the potential to be the most thrilling, followed by the approach on 18.
Title: Re: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Jay Mickle on December 04, 2017, 09:36:36 PM
As for number 11 I just don't get it. Hit a great drive to the left of the cross bunker and be rewarded with a blind shot to the green. Flare one out to the right side into the waist area and have a great view of the flag. Strategy?
Title: Re: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Erik J. Barzeski on December 04, 2017, 10:20:16 PM
As for number 11 I just don't get it. Hit a great drive to the left of the cross bunker and be rewarded with a blind shot to the green. Flare one out to the right side into the waist area and have a great view of the flag. Strategy?
Truth there. Even if you're hugging the sand to the right edge, you can't see the flag.

I also thought #3 was weak. The tee shot is unimaginative - I feel like most will just lay up. Then it requires a wedge. Yeah, you've gotta hit it to the right levelů or the shorter level, which leaves an uphill putt. Everyone in my foursome was just short and made par.

I liked #17 most of all.
Title: Re: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Ted Sirbaugh on December 05, 2017, 12:32:20 AM
As for number 11 I just don't get it. Hit a great drive to the left of the cross bunker and be rewarded with a blind shot to the green. Flare one out to the right side into the waist area and have a great view of the flag. Strategy?
Truth there. Even if you're hugging the sand to the right edge, you can't see the flag.



I have not been to Dormie, so please correct me if I'm wrong or misunderstanding your description. Is #11 at all similar to the style of hole Flynn used, where staying to the outside of the dogleg (and maybe away from the hazard) provides the better angle?

I don't think good strategy always requires you to hug the bunkers. From your description, it sounds like this hole is blind regardless of your position in the fairway. If the left side is a better angle into the green, then are you rewarded for keeping it left of the cross bunker? Otherwise, you could lay up short of the bunker and be stuck with a longer shot and more challenging angle in? On the flip end, you could just blast it into the waste area, and have a clear view but tougher angle to approach it.
Title: Re: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Jay Mickle on December 05, 2017, 09:24:54 AM
Ted,
No to your question. The hole doesn't fit the parameters you suggest.
The way the green is angled it certainly does reward a shot up the left side. The problem is that if you hit that shot, you have a blind shot to the green and no real sense of where it is and a 30 yard walk up the hill to view the green.
Title: Re: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Ted Sirbaugh on December 05, 2017, 09:59:47 AM
Ted,
No to your question. The hole doesn't fit the parameters you suggest.
The way the green is angled it certainly does reward a shot up the left side. The problem is that if you hit that shot, you have a blind shot to the green and no real sense of where it is and a 30 yard walk up the hill to view the green.


Jay,

Got it. Thank you for clarifying
Title: Re: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Andy Ryall on December 09, 2017, 05:30:59 PM
For me, I thought #4 was the best hole on the property given its right- left speed slots flow off the tee that plays slightly uphill back to the right with a pond framing the hole to the right. 

We played 36 on a Saturday in September and played the shorter tees in the AM and the longer tees in the PM, which provided different experiences. Holes like 5 and 15 were dramatically different given the forced carry over a few pond and marsh, which adds to the variety of playing the same course twice in a day.

Other holes to note were the short, gambling 14th, and the Par 5th 6th that played uphill off the tee that went back downhill to a narrow green site. 

The course was in pristine shape and thought the routing was excellent moving through different environments; reminiscent of Bandon Trails.   I have personally been a bit bewildered at some of the negative/less than favorable opinions on DC, but to each his own.




Title: Re: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Jerry Kluger on December 09, 2017, 06:13:04 PM
I have long been a fan of C & C courses and Dormie is a solid and fun golf course.  The more you play it and understand how to play it the more enjoyable it becomes. The course does need to be firm and fast to play as it was designed to be played where you are rewarded for hitting a particular part of the fairway or learning that the best play often isn't directly at the pin.  What kind of amazes me is how many people prefer Tobacco Road. Hopefully the new owners will spend the money to finish the course and get it up to its potential.
Title: Re: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Kyle Harris on December 10, 2017, 06:34:23 AM
As for number 11 I just don't get it. Hit a great drive to the left of the cross bunker and be rewarded with a blind shot to the green. Flare one out to the right side into the waist area and have a great view of the flag. Strategy?

Easy, the trade-off between a decent lie and a slightly uncomfortable approach the first time you play it or the shot a bad lie where you have the ability to the see shot you can't execute with your 12-handicap.

Strategy doesn't mean "Pick a duck, everyone's a winner!"
Title: Re: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Jay Mickle on December 10, 2017, 09:23:34 AM

Strategy doesn't mean "Pick a duck, everyone's a winner!"

Agreed, but in this case it seems to be" Hit you best drive and deal with it"
Title: Re: Dormie, what holes do you admire/like?
Post by: Carl Rogers on December 10, 2017, 12:20:32 PM
My opening comment about hole 11 has been confirmed by the amount of buzz generated, but I was remiss in not mentioning hole 13....... a very good and fair hole.


I observe, from other threads, there have been more non-positive comments  than positive about the course.


Beyond building some bridges across wetlands and maybe expanding the practice range (somehow?), I do wonder what the new owners will do to "improve" the course.  The course is what is at this point.  In the 4 or 5 rounds I have played the conditioning has been very good to excellent (but then there has not been much traffic).