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Title: Heather Glen ( Byrd 18, Johnson 9-1987) in Myrtle Beach, SC
Post by: Steve_ Shaffer on November 28, 2017, 09:47:13 PM
Sold for development. Golf Digest's Best New in 1987


http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/sports/golf/article186798193.html
Title: Re: Heather Glen ( Byrd 18, Johnson 9-1987) in Myrtle Beach, SC
Post by: MCirba on November 28, 2017, 09:54:13 PM
Bummer.


Links-like or not, my friends and I had a lot of fun playing there.
Title: Re: Heather Glen ( Byrd 18, Johnson 9-1987) in Myrtle Beach, SC
Post by: Tom_Doak on November 29, 2017, 04:39:00 PM
Another 0 bites the dust.


I know some people liked it and they are free to have a differing opinion; I don't wish to rehash that argument here.
Title: Re: Heather Glen ( Byrd 18, Johnson 9-1987) in Myrtle Beach, SC
Post by: MCirba on November 30, 2017, 02:59:00 PM
Friends, GCA-ers, other American faux-links lovers;

I come not to praise Heather Glen, but to bury it.   

The evil that golf course designs do lives after them, the good is oft interred with the new homes. 

https://youtu.be/yPW2AUaSv-E

https://youtu.be/fncK9cnUydI
Title: Re: Heather Glen ( Byrd 18, Johnson 9-1987) in Myrtle Beach, SC
Post by: Bill_McBride on November 30, 2017, 03:56:57 PM
Another 0 bites the dust.


I know some people liked it and they are free to have a differing opinion; I don't wish to rehash that argument here.

All I remember from 25 years ago is the heinous sleepers
Title: Re: Heather Glen ( Byrd 18, Johnson 9-1987) in Myrtle Beach, SC
Post by: Eric Strulowitz on November 30, 2017, 04:33:03 PM
Another 0 bites the dust.


I know some people liked it and they are free to have a differing opinion; I don't wish to rehash that argument here.




The club was everything but a zero.  It was a lot of fun to play and the course received numerous awards and accolades.  Sadly, Heather Glen is among a number of decent  courses in the MB area that have closed. It will be missed.  I don't recall this course poisoning my mind as the "Scale "relates.  I wonder if anyone elses mind has been poisoned?  How the heck could a course ever poison your mind anyway? 

Definition of a "zero":

A course so contrived and unnatural that it may poison your mind, one I cannot recommend under any circumstances. Reserved for courses that waste ridiculous sums of money in their construction, and probably shouldn't have been built in the first place.
Title: Re: Heather Glen ( Byrd 18, Johnson 9-1987) in Myrtle Beach, SC
Post by: Eric Strulowitz on November 30, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
Sold for development. Golf Digest's Best New in 1987


http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/sports/golf/article186798193.html (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/sports/golf/article186798193.html)


I certainly wish any developer luck, but you gotta wonder what the appeal of the Strand is these days.   The place has become beyond crowded in the peak season,  endless waiting at places to eat, and traffic that rivals downtown Atlanta. It was once a very quiet, appealing area, the locals gotta feel squeezed out.  It has more of a Disneyland feel, it is everything but a relaxing economical vacation. Can think of better places to retire or buy a vacation property, but to each his own.  There has been much written of late of crime becoming a real problem.  It is not the same place anymore.
Title: Re: Heather Glen ( Byrd 18, Johnson 9-1987) in Myrtle Beach, SC
Post by: MCirba on November 30, 2017, 05:03:18 PM
Eric,

Some would argue that my mind is poisoned but most of those folks don't post here any longer.   :-X

I'm just pretty sure I wouldn't blame Heather Glen for my mental health issues, in either case.   :)

I do very much understand the point Tom was making in the CG, particularly if folks took the "plays like a Scottish Links" marketing and with pot bunkers cut into mounds and sleepers on downslopes and water hazards on many holes and trees coming into play and overseeding the whole course in the winter and soft, green conditioning at face value.   Then, laddie...a mind could have been poisoned! 
Title: Re: Heather Glen ( Byrd 18, Johnson 9-1987) in Myrtle Beach, SC
Post by: Tom_Doak on December 01, 2017, 01:25:56 AM
People who have been poisoned usually do not realize it until too late, if they realize it at all.
Title: Re: Heather Glen ( Byrd 18, Johnson 9-1987) in Myrtle Beach, SC
Post by: Phil Carlucci on December 01, 2017, 07:57:54 AM
Friends, GCA-ers, other American faux-links lovers;

I come not to praise Heather Glen, but to bury it.   

The evil that golf course designs do lives after them, the good is oft interred with the new homes. 

https://youtu.be/yPW2AUaSv-E (https://youtu.be/yPW2AUaSv-E)

https://youtu.be/fncK9cnUydI (https://youtu.be/fncK9cnUydI)

Those Mitch Laurence promo videos give me flashbacks to me and 3 buddies sitting in our Myrtle Beach hotel room chomping at the bit to start our four-course tour of the Grand Strand. 

Personally I don't remember much of Heather Glen other than playing a miserable round, but I'm sad to hear of its closing.  Four of us made an annual June trip to MB from 2005 to 2008 before real life started to horn in on the fun, and it turns out we played among the final rounds ever at Bay Tree.  A few others that we played have closed or changed hands, I believe.  Never like to hear it.
Title: Re: Heather Glen ( Byrd 18, Johnson 9-1987) in Myrtle Beach, SC
Post by: Jeff_Brauer on December 01, 2017, 10:05:53 AM

I will never forget flying down to MB on my first trip to see Wild Wing.  It was sort of last minute, so I connected through Charlotte on US Air (never a good start to a trip) and had a middle coach seat near the back of the plane, among a group of already drunkish golfers heading down to play.


I ask where they are playing (knowing there are nearly 100 courses there, but never having been there myself) so I was curious. The most repeated answer was "anything designed by Rees Jones or Willard Byrd."


The MB resort model was never very "sincere" regarding golf architecture. More like the Disney version of recreating different kinds of courses.  So, Heather Glen and then hot designers were all the rage.


I won't forget my design brief for Avocet (which followed two Byrd courses, and preceded one Rees course) The client spoke limited Japanese, but I felt he thought the Byrd courses were too traditional, and wouldn't sell rounds.  The only words I understood of his statement were, "More fru fru." :D
Title: Re: Heather Glen ( Byrd 18, Johnson 9-1987) in Myrtle Beach, SC
Post by: MCirba on December 01, 2017, 10:07:35 AM
I used to bring my late Dad down to Myrtle Beach with a group of guys from Northeast Philly that grew to over 60 participants over the years.   It was insane, but great fun.

Over time I grew a bit more jaded regarding golf course architectural worthiness but my dad used to tell me that if heaven wasn't like Myrtle Beach he wasn't going.   

He also loved to eat after our rounds at Olive Garden, but he grew up very poor and simply and going to Myrtle was a big, big deal for him that he'd look forward to all year long and tell stories about all year afterwards.
Title: Re: Heather Glen ( Byrd 18, Johnson 9-1987) in Myrtle Beach, SC
Post by: Anton on December 05, 2017, 02:19:20 PM
The design is not / was not a links course.... this is a fact - adding 'links' to the name was purely a marketing ploy.  Perhaps the design was a "0" according to one's opinion of what defines a great course or not.  So be it.  What cannot be measured on a scale is the enjoyment an individual has on any course given the company they are with or the shots they pull off.  For myself, Heather Glen's design was very basic without much variety and really no holes stand out in my memory.  I had & have played far better courses in the MB area.  BUT with that said, the company I was with when playing HG, made for an unforgettable golfing experience.