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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: John Mayhugh on October 13, 2017, 12:37:51 PM

Title: Rolling Hills - Palos Verdes CA David Kidd redesign
Post by: John Mayhugh on October 13, 2017, 12:37:51 PM
Earlier this week I saw a tweet discussing David Kidd's redesign of Rolling Hills CC in Palos Verdes.  I didn't remember seeing any previous mention of this, and in searching only found a couple on GCA. 

This is an article link that Scott Weersing posted in March.
https://www.easyreadernews.com/david-kidd-golf-course-palos-verdes-rolling-hills-country-club/

Kidd's website.
http://dmkgolfdesign.com/coming-soon/rolling-hills/

Some photos on Twitter.  A few of these are really intriguing.
https://twitter.com/rollinghillsgcm/media

Seems like there will be an article coming in GCA magazine.  Maybe Adam can provide a preview, or at least a hint on when it opens?  I'm really intrigued to think of an essentially new course in that location - especially built in sand.  Current Google Maps satellite view shows one big sandbox.

Maybe a good spot for one of our drone pilots to fly over.
Title: Re: Rolling Hills - Palos Verdes CA David Kidd redesign
Post by: Stephen Davis on October 13, 2017, 12:42:13 PM
Being from the area originally, I am really excited about this project. The original course was bland and uninteresting. The use of the nearby quarry will immediately bring more interest to this course. I am going to make a special trip back home to see this, granted I can get an invite.


PS. I don't know how much of the course you will be able to do a drone fly over on. The course is very near the Torrance Airport and I am sure the airspace is restricted for safety reasons.
Title: Re: Rolling Hills - Palos Verdes CA David Kidd redesign
Post by: Alex Miller on October 13, 2017, 12:55:03 PM
Being from the area originally, I am really excited about this project. The original course was bland and uninteresting. The use of the nearby quarry will immediately bring more interest to this course. I am going to make a special trip back home to see this, granted I can get an invite.


PS. I don't know how much of the course you will be able to do a drone fly over on. The course is very near the Torrance Airport and I am sure the airspace is restricted for safety reasons.


+1. I've played Rolling Hills a couple hundred times and if not for this project I'm not sure there would still be a golf course there. The previous version was potentially a Doak 0. Looking forward to playing it as well.
Title: Re: Rolling Hills - Palos Verdes CA David Kidd redesign
Post by: Jim Nugent on October 13, 2017, 03:12:48 PM
Alex, I have to ask, if the old course was a zero, why did you play it a couple hundred times?  0 x 200 = 0. 
Title: Re: Rolling Hills - Palos Verdes CA David Kidd redesign
Post by: Alex Miller on October 13, 2017, 03:16:55 PM
Alex, I have to ask, if the old course was a zero, why did you play it a couple hundred times?  0 x 200 = 0.


Home course for my high school team... still a very gracious club and wonderful staff.
Title: Re: Rolling Hills - Palos Verdes CA David Kidd redesign
Post by: Adam Lawrence on October 13, 2017, 03:42:38 PM
Golf course opens to the members in mid November. The membership is sold out -- they lost a number of members who were opposed to the rebuilding scheme but they have been full for a year, and the joining fee has gone up from $40k to $175k. Enormous new clubhouse is supposed to open 1 December but I will be very surprised if it does, there is a LOT still to do.


Essentially the club had lost its lease and was going out of business. Someone came up with the idea of incorporating the old sand quarry into the course and using some of the land freed up to build houses. There are 110 lots and the houses are selling at between $4-$5 million. Nice work if you can get it.


Problem was that the sand quarry was 240 feet deep. The project has been an enormous earthmove -- around 6.5 million cu m -- and, as much of Palos Verdes drains across the course, a fantastically complex engineering exercise too. Course is NOT pure sand, but it has all been sandcapped to a greater than usual depth.


I have to save the beef for GCA, but I thought the course itself was excellent, with the run of holes from 10-14, which occupy the top of the site, particularly good. Huge props to David's associate Nick Schaan who has been living onsite for more thann two years, and who is responsible for most of the complex engineering.
Title: Re: Rolling Hills - Palos Verdes CA David Kidd redesign
Post by: John Mayhugh on October 13, 2017, 04:32:05 PM
Thanks for the additional info, Adam.  I'll await the GCA article.
Title: Re: Rolling Hills - Palos Verdes CA David Kidd redesign
Post by: rjsimper on October 18, 2017, 09:43:59 PM
I worked in the shop at Rolling Hills in 2000, and like Alex I have played the old course hundreds of times as well as it was my high school home course for two years. I'm very excited to see what they've come up with. The holes being replaced by homes are fine with me to lose, and given that the real estate there is some of the most expensive in the country, I'm glad they were able to come up with a solution to make a project of this scale viable.
Title: Re: Rolling Hills - Palos Verdes CA David Kidd redesign
Post by: Peter Kelly on October 20, 2017, 02:54:36 PM
At the Twitter link posted earlier, there are also some drone videos that show the progress at various stages. The latest one is dated September 2017: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjTabcijlz4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjTabcijlz4)  Looks like they built a very cool short game area.


Adam, do you know how many equity members comprise a sell out? Impressive to do that at $175k which is the same as Bel Air. Riv gets $250,000+, but that's non-equity. I think Hillcrest is a little more than $175,000, but the L.A. area clubs are less than that, including LACC.
Title: Re: Rolling Hills - Palos Verdes CA David Kidd redesign
Post by: Mark Kiely on December 07, 2017, 12:20:53 AM
Apparently this has re-opened. Anybody had a chance to check it out yet?
Title: Re: Rolling Hills - Palos Verdes CA David Kidd redesign
Post by: Brad Tufts on December 07, 2017, 12:31:47 PM
I drove by it last week and people were out playing, although some of the bunkers looked unfinished.

The holes surrounding Palos Verdes Dr. looked intriguing, but I didn't go into the club past the guard gate so couldn't see much else.