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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group => Topic started by: George Freeman on March 13, 2010, 11:57:07 AM
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Gents,
The group size has been finalized with the club and the event has been set. I apologize for starting another thread but it is easier this way. Details are as follows:
Where: Lost Dunes Golf Club - Bridgman, MI
When: May 15th & 16th, 2010
Teams - "East vs. West":
East
1. Tom Doak
2. Ken Fry
3. Jonathan Becker
4. Rich Hetzel
5. Jon Heise
6. Kris Belcher
7. Matt O'Brien
8. Ari Techner
9. Jin Kim
10. Patrick Boyd
11. Carl Nichols
12. Brad Tufts
13. Andrew Lewis
14. Matt Harrison
15. Bill Steele
16. Matt Schmidt
17. Tim Nugent
18. TBD - Captain's Pick
West
1. George Freeman
2. Eric Terhorst - Sat only
2a. Zack Molnar - Sun only
3. Chuck Brown
4. Jeff Tang
5. Jim Tang
6. Jon Winick
7. Dave Schmidt
8. Dan Moore - Sat only
8a. ___________ - Sun only
9. Sven Nilsen
10. Kevin Cahoon
11. Mike Kennedy
12. Rob Bice
13. Chris Flamion
14. Steve Salmen
15. Pat Craig
16. David Cronan
17. Mark Smolens
18. ____________
Alternates:
** Still have one open spot for Sundays round.
Lodging: The club has been gracious enough to reserve all five of their cottages for our group and I would love to have as many people as possible stay in them. Each cottage has four bedrooms and each bedroom has two queen size beds and a separate bathroom. Price is $160 per room per night (i.e. $80 per bed, double occupancy).
**ALL TIMES EASTERN STANDARD**
Golf: The first groups will tee-off on Saturday around 1-1:30 pm. Sunday tee-times will start around 7:30 am.
Golf will be $105 per day, which includes a cart. Caddies will be available for anyone who wants one - $50/bag plus tip (suggested $25-30). All foursomes must have at least one Caddy, so if everyone is in a cart, a forecaddie will be needed - $50/foursome plus tip (suggested $10-15 per bag).
Format: Hasn't been finalized yet but we're thinking best ball matches on Saturday and either alternate shot or singles matches on Sunday. All match-play (of course).
Food: Even though their kitchen usually isn't open this time of year, the club has been generous enough to fire it up for us as an accommodation. Food and prices will go as follows:
*As a disclaimer, the food at Lost Dunes is rumored to be EXCELLENT*
Saturday Lunch pre-golf: Box lunch w/ turkey wraps, chips, snickers and a drink - $12
Saturday Dinner: Buffet for our group w/ Chicken, pasta, salad, etc. - $25
Sunday Breakfast: Breakfast buffet - $10
Sunday Lunch: Pizza buffet - $10
Ideally we'll have everyone partaking in all the meals above, but if for some reason you can't do lunch on Saturday or lunch on Sunday, let me know so I can give the club an accurate # for each meal.
Unfortunately we cannot bring our own bottles of wine due to state regulations. All alcohol will be Al a Carte.
Other: Saturday evening after dinner, hopefully we can persuade Tom to speak about Lost Dunes and have a Q&A. Should be awesome (we did this at the Kingsley Club with Mike DeVries and it was great).
I am assuming everyone on the list has confirmed, so if for some reason you now cannot attend, please let me know ASAP.
Nothing formal has been set up for Saturday morning as far as additional golf. There are plenty of options available in the area. It sounds like some guys are already planning on playing the Warren Course in South Bend.
** Special thanks to Tom Doak and Pete Han, the head pro at Lost Dunes, for the help setting this up. It couldn't have happened w/ out them. Also, Sean Arble has been generous enough to donate a Mashie for the event which will serve as our trophy and will be held by the winning team for the year.
Questions/comments welcome.
Looking forward to it!
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my feelings are still hurt
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Wish you could make it JC!!
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I just edited the list as Michael Hendren notified me that he can't make a hard confirm. Paul Thomas has moved up into his spot.
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George:
Thanks to you and Tom (and Pete Han) for setting this up. Are the cabins available both nights, or just Saturday?
Thanks again,
Carl
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I'm looking forward to the event. Although I should be on the Chicago side and my first name is Rob. Thanks again for organizing everything.
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Excellent! Thank you for setting this up.
I'm willing to share a room with a non-snoring participant, or I'll take my own room if available. Whatever works best/is easiest for the organizers.
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I'm looking forward to the event. Although I should be on the Chicago side and my first name is Rob. Thanks again for organizing everything.
Sorry Rob, it's been fixed.
We can finagle the teams once we get there if guys feel the need to swap (Paul Thomas for instance is from Chicago too).
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Thanks George. I would be happy to play for either side.
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George,
Glad I made the cut. If you need formal confirmation for your list, I'm in for golf, caddy, food, and accommodation, tho I'm told that I snore (I can neither confirm nor deny this fact). Feel free to place me in a room with another snorer as I intend to drink enough Miller Lites that he won't bother me. . .
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Just to wet the whistle:
From Ran's profile:
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo271/freem109/Lostdunes2.jpg)
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo271/freem109/Lostdunes2g.jpg)
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo271/freem109/Lostdunes12.jpg)
From the website:
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo271/freem109/LD-1.jpg)
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Also, for anyone on the fence about the cabins, have a look. They appear to be very well appointed:
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo271/freem109/LD.jpg)
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George,
Pencil me in for a single room if available, otherwise double is fine, caddy both days and all meals. Thanx! I forgot about the silly Michigan corkage laws. Only cloud on what is setting up to be an awesome event! But how the heck did we lose Tim Nugent from the Chicago side?
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George,
Pencil me in for a single room if available, otherwise double is fine, caddy both days and all meals. Thanx! I forgot about the silly Michigan corkage laws. Only cloud on what is setting up to be an awesome event! But how the heck did we lose Tim Nugent from the Chicago side?
Jud,
Will do. Thanks.
As you can see, we're a little overweight w/ the Chicago/West folks...
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I would like a single as well if possible (have had bad experiences with loud sleepers in the past). Thanks for everything. It sounds like fun.
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Thanks to those who made this possible. I'm in for all meals and a room in a cottage. Single room preferred. Also definitely want a caddy.
I assume best way to get there is to fly to Chicago and drive. Anyone know how long a drive it is?
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about 1:45 from O'hare...fly into Midway if possible, then only about 1:15.......
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Gents,
I can attest the food at Lost Dunes is outstanding and the cabins are first rate. Sounds like a great weekend all around.
Ken
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Sounds like a great weekend and thanks to all who havehelped to set it up!
Sign me up for a room in one of the cabins, and I'm all for a double room as after enough Goose Island's I could sleep next to a polar bear and not know it! :P
I'll probably take a caddy as well. Once we know the groupings we can figure out if there are other guys taking loopers and people can utilize double bagger.
Sign me up for at least the dinner and breakfast at LD. I can't make any promises that I won't be making a stop at Redamaks either on the way there or back for a burger!!! :)
Looking forward to meeting everyone.
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Website has been updated with a schedule tab and a golf pairings tab.
www.midwestmashie.com (http://www.midwestmashie.com)
I'll update both lists if you post here (or pm me) that you want a caddy and/or if you specify your room requests.
Also George, even though Captain Tom already rejected me once from the East team I would be happy to play for them and give one of the Chicago guys a spot on the West since my Minneapolis roots and current FL digs allow me to swing either way.
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George,
As an alternate, I am definitely interested in a Sunday round and am happy to come off the bench for Saturday if needed. Thanks again!
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Wish I could play, then there might actually be someone playing with a Mashie.
As for airports, it might be worth looking into Kalamazoo. Should be only 30-45 min. away.
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If everyone on the East team would check in with me and let me know their handicaps, and who on the team they already know, I'll try to figure out who to pair up accordingly.
I hope that everyone will be open to the idea of alternate-shot play on Sunday instead of singles. For one thing, we'll get out of the members' way more quickly; for another, it's great fun, and it lets you look at the golf course a bit more instead of focusing so much on your score. Remember, this is a TEAM event, and not just a chance for you to play Lost Dunes at a good rate.
P.S. I have never captained a team like this before; now I wish I had hit up Ben Crenshaw to get me a bunch of those cool Sunday shirts from Brookline. ;)
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George,
As one of the alternates, I will happily play Sunday for Dan or Eric. If space becomes available for both days, that will work as well.
Kevin
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If everyone on the East team would check in with me and let me know their handicaps, and who on the team they already know, I'll try to figure out who to pair up accordingly.
West team, please do the same!
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I am interested in a caddy both days and a room Saturday night. I will most likely be traveling with Sven Nilsen and Dave Egan so we can share a room if available. Thanks.
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I would like to stay in a cabin and have nothing wrong with sharing. I will more than likely be taking a caddy. Thanks to everyone who set this up.
Chris
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Tom D:
Im a 6, Kris Belcher's about a 1.
As for some of the other details: Kris and I'll will want to stay at the cabin, I'll try and get Hetzel to join us... I doubt we'll want a caddy.
Can't wait, it's getting nicer and nicer out here!
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I hope that everyone will be open to the idea of alternate-shot play on Sunday instead of singles. For one thing, we'll get out of the members' way more quickly; for another, it's great fun, and it lets you look at the golf course a bit more instead of focusing so much on your score. Remember, this is a TEAM event, and not just a chance for you to play Lost Dunes at a good rate.
Definitely interested in alternate shot Sunday even though singles would also be a lot of fun. Also a modified alternate shot would be a fun format as well.
P.S. I have never captained a team like this before; now I wish I had hit up Ben Crenshaw to get me a bunch of those cool Sunday shirts from Brookline. ;)
If these shirts are the direction your taking your East team I am just fine staying on the West. ;D
If everyone on the East team would check in with me and let me know their handicaps, and who on the team they already know, I'll try to figure out who to pair up accordingly.
West team, please do the same!
George I am a 10 handicap. The two most famous Jason's on GCA can attest to the legitimacy of that.
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The Lodging page found here: http://www.midwestmashie.com/?page_id=19 (http://www.midwestmashie.com/?page_id=19) has been updated with room sharing for those that have posted their preferences or pm'ed me.
Also the golf pairings page found here: http://www.midwestmashie.com/?page_id=22 (http://www.midwestmashie.com/?page_id=22) has been updated with those interested in using a caddy.
And finally on the teams page found here: http://www.midwestmashie.com/?page_id=8 (http://www.midwestmashie.com/?page_id=8) I have started to add the handicaps as they are posted.
If anyone has any suggestions for other information to post or anything else on the site let me know.
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My USGA handicap Index is 6.6
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I've got Mike K. and Kevin C. substituting for Eric and Dan on Sunday.
I'll contact you guys at some point with specifics.
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As of 10/29/09, my index was 5.8. . . hoping against hope for it to be lower by May??
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I'll take a caddy and my current index is 0.3. Thanks
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My index is 2.2.
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I will gladly share a room with someone in the cabin.
I will walk and carry my own bag...
I will NOT be eating that last lunch on Sunday as I will need to get on the road to Cincinnati right after the round!
Handicap on 11/10/09 was 15.5
PS: Any word on an early Saturday morning round at ND Warren?
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I would be surprised if Lost Dunes can provide as many caddies as have been requested. School's not out yet, and they don't have a very big pool to draw from as it is. Perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised, but hopefully some players can carry their own bag or use a cart if the caddies are in short supply.
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I have no problem hoofing my own bag.
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I would prefer carrying, if possible. Thanks.
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Bice can carry my bag, too.
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No problem. Egan will have 4 clubs by the end of the round. Plus we are on opposing teams.
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I would be surprised if Lost Dunes can provide as many caddies as have been requested. School's not out yet, and they don't have a very big pool to draw from as it is. Perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised, but hopefully some players can carry their own bag or use a cart if the caddies are in short supply.
I guess I got the impression that caddies were mandatory for each player? I have no problem at all carrying my own bag, but would generally like to do anything in my power to not take a cart.
Perhaps the ideal personal situation would be to assign a forecaddie to a group of riders/walkers.
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Is that "personal situation" or "personnel situation," Pat? If the former, I hope its cleared up by May. I'll be pulling a half Melvyn, carrying my own bag, but checking yardage markers.
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Tom,
If I can carry my own bag and WALK that would be EVEN BETTER! I did not know that was even an option...
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I have no desire to carry my own bag and walk -- call me lazy if you like (I've been called worse).
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Hi Guys,
I'll play off a 0 and I'll either put my bag on a cart and walk or just walk and carry.
Mark Smolens,
I like your honesty. :)
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I didn't know this was going to be a sanctioned Nationwide Tour event! My goodness, are there enough sub-5 handicappers in this group??
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Don't worry George. To play on the Nationwide tour you would need to be at least a +4 to be even slightly competitive. ;)
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I guess I'll be the hacker in the group. Current index is 12.0 (GHIN 5781194). Will we be using our index as of May 15? If so, I'll be sure to post some high numbers over the next 2 months.
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I guess I'll be the hacker in the group. Current index is 12.0 (GHIN 5781194). Will we be using our index as of May 15? If so, I'll be sure to post some high numbers over the next 2 months.
Beat you to it; mine is 15.5! I am sure it will go down a few once I start playing in the next few weeks!
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Wow the hackers are still 6 strokes better than I am......I am currently an 18, but could go either way still.
Went to the driving range today and I think I was happy with 10% of the shots.....uhoh
Finally, I will gladly hoof it along the right side of the course.
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There will be cabins available for Friday night for those who inquired.
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I didn't know this was going to be a sanctioned Nationwide Tour event! My goodness, are there enough sub-5 handicappers in this group??
George,
Notice how most of the low cappers are on the Michigan side and they haven't even weighed in with Ari Techner or Ken Fry yet.
Will our Sun Mountain carts be permitted? Otherwise I would also like a caddy.
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I didn't know this was going to be a sanctioned Nationwide Tour event! My goodness, are there enough sub-5 handicappers in this group??
George,
Notice how most of the low cappers are on the Michigan side and they haven't even weighed in with Ari Techner or Ken Fry yet.
Will our Sun Mountain carts be permitted? Otherwise I would also like a caddy.
I have humbly forwarded my "C" player rating of a 4.0 to Mr. Doak.....
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I didn't know this was going to be a sanctioned Nationwide Tour event! My goodness, are there enough sub-5 handicappers in this group??
George,
Notice how most of the low cappers are on the Michigan side and they haven't even weighed in with Ari Techner or Ken Fry yet.
Will our Sun Mountain carts be permitted? Otherwise I would also like a caddy.
Dan, not to worry, they put me on the Mich side to even things out ;D
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George - originally i could only play on Sunday, but now that's not even probable, so pls give my spot to someone else, thanks
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I didn't know this was going to be a sanctioned Nationwide Tour event! My goodness, are there enough sub-5 handicappers in this group??
George,
Notice how most of the low cappers are on the Michigan side and they haven't even weighed in with Ari Techner or Ken Fry yet.
That'll just give 'em more to whine about after the Chicago side leaves with the trophy in hand.... 8)
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Gents,
Per the club, we will be able to either walk with a Caddy or ride with a forecaddie (if the entire group rides).
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George,
I'll do either, whatever works best for your pairings is fine...
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I'll walk or ride, I couldn't care less. I'll do whatever makes this as easy as possible for the organizers.
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George it looks like your rosters are pretty well set, but I'd still like to go onto an alternate list if I can. Thanks!
Hey Ari -- Are you flying into Detroit or Chicago?
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Is a brisk sachay permissible?
Only after hitting the green of the 243 yard par 3 5th hole with your putter......
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Is a brisk sachay permissible?
Only after hitting the green of the 243 yard par 3 5th hole with your putter......
You took the words right out of my mouth...
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Patrick:
I sent an email to the midwestmashie email address. . .
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Patrick Boyd, the first alternate, has moved into Paul T's recently vacated spot. Glad you can make it Patrick!
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Got it Carl. Will update tonight, thanks.
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Ari Techner, Patrick Boyd and myself will be arriving Saturday morning and will be staying Saturday evening. We will also be there for dinner. Thank you for allowing us to play. Looking forward to it.
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Really looking forward to this- and am confident in Captain Doak's ability to "have a good feeling" about the Michigan side winning! Not so sure how I feel about team shirts...
I am fine to ride or take a caddie- would prefer walking with a caddie, but not a big deal.
I will take a single room for Saturday, and since I do not know anyone well on the MI squad, am glad to play with whoever.
Currently a .3 index, but can't play to it!
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Currently a 0.3 index...
Shocking...
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Yesterday, I was somewhere around a 0.3 as well, but I haven't the feintest idea what indexes have to do with it...
Shivy, maybe for pairings?
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George,
I hate to sound like a pompus ass but I'm a British 4. Most of my recent rounds were played overseas.
Steve
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Has this somehow morphed into some kind of sissy net event or something?
"Handicaps? F**k that sh*t! Pabst Blue Ribbon!"
Shivy, I was just trying to answer your question. You've asked twice while we're worrying about indexes. I think it's simply to set up the matches roughly evenly, not to morph into a sissy net event. I'm assuming the matches will be played scratch. George and Tom can confirm.
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He is talking about having a .3 blood-alcohol level Jim ;)
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George,
I hate to sound like a pompus ass but I'm a British 4. Most of my recent rounds were played overseas.
Steve
Steve,
I hate to sound like an ignorant prick, but I have no idea what that means...
George
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Their system is different, based on competition scores. Just put me at 4. Thanks.
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What county do the Schmidts come from? :P
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With those bloodlines, please refrain from dancing, you'd probably break something.
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Will the BAC even matter, will it be a dry weekend (or evenings in the cabins) ?
I sure hope I am getting strokes with all these sub-single digit cappers.......can't wait for this weekend!
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George,
I hate to sound like a pompus ass but I'm a British 4. Most of my recent rounds were played overseas.
Steve
Steve,
I hate to sound like an ignorant prick, but I have no idea what that means...
It means he is a +1 over here ;D
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Gents,
Per the club, we will be able to either walk with a Caddy or ride with a forecaddie (if the entire group rides).
Is a brisk sachay permissible?
What about a walk where the right leg isn't silly at all and the left leg merely does a forward aerial half turn every alternate step??
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I would love to add my name to the alternate list if that is still a possibility. I am from Ohio, but I spend all my summers up in Northern Michigan, so add me to the Michigan side.
And if I cant be added this year, hopefully I can be included next year.
Thanks!
Zack
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Just wanted to BUMP this topic up...has anyone given any more thought to an early Saturday round at the Warren Course????
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George, something has come up and I unfortunately won't be able to make it. :( Please fill my spot with one of the alternates.
I'll look forward to playing in the 2nd annual MM next summer.
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Patrick, I too, want to make the 2nd Annual. Some of these guys will be on a Doak, with Doak. How cool is that? Maybe he has to be an annual MM entrant. 8)
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Patrick, I too, want to make the 2nd Annual. Some of these guys will on a Doak, with Doak. How cool is that? Maybe he has to be an annual MM entrant. 8)
No kidding Tony! I'm pretty bummed I won't be able to make it, but as the saying goes, "There's always next year..."
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I sent a couple of emails (about the cabins, etc.) to the midwestmashie email address Patrick had set up -- should I send them to George?
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Carl I forwarded those to George so he has them.
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Thanks Patrick.
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George -
My calendar has opened up for that weekend, and I'd love to play if you need people. Could you please add me to the alternates list?
Best, Andrew
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This sounds like a great time.
Can't do it all with the KP plus have fall plans, but wish I could go. Kind of like the Kingsley trip.
I'd go just to drive Shivas's tii ... ;D
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Hey guys...looking forward to the event.
I e-mailed the Mashie website, but not sure if it went through.
I'm a 0, will room with whoever doesn't mind rooming with someone born in the 80s, and don't need a caddie unless everyone's taking them.
Thanks!
-Brad
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George, something has come up and I unfortunately won't be able to make it. :( Please fill my spot with one of the alternates.
I'll look forward to playing in the 2nd annual MM next summer.
Doh! I lost a roomie. Anybody want to bunk up?
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Jim, sure i will. IM me
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The first page of this thread has been updated to show that Kevin Cahoon is now in the event as Patrick unfortunately had to drop. I'll try to keep the info on that page as current as possible.
If I don't hear from guys about food, I will assume they are in for all meals. For the guys who have spoken to me about food (and caddies and lodging), you're all set as I am tracking everything.
Also, if guys guys want to swap b/c their current team doesn't make sense geographically, let me know. I think Liddy and Bice would be a good swap, correct?
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Also, can the following guys confirm if you'll be staying in the Cabins (single or double (if available)):
Ken Fry
Matt O'Brien
Ari Techner
Patrick Boyd
Carl Nichols
Bill Steele
Dave Schmidt
I apologize if any of you have already mentioned this.
Thanks!
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George-
I've sent a few emails to the midwestmashie address, but yes, I'm in for the cabins, don't have a strong preference for single vs. double, though prefer the former. Can we also stay Friday night?
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Just an update for us, me, Kris Belcher and Rich Hetzel will share a cabin. Low round will get first dibs on beds...
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If any are flying into Chi (O'hare ofr Midway) I could pick them up on my way Sat AM.
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Also, can the following guys confirm if you'll be staying in the Cabins (single or double (if available)):
Ken Fry
Matt O'Brien
Ari Techner
Patrick Boyd
Carl Nichols
Bill Steele
Dave Schmidt
I apologize if any of you have already mentioned this.
Thanks!
George,
I'll be commuting from home. Thanks!
Ken
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George,
Thank you for the update as to my status. I am looking forward to the event. My current index is 5.4. If there is room in one of the cabins that is available, I am a happy to share a room.
Kevin
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Ari Techner, Patrick Boyd and Myself will be staying in the cabins on Saturday night.
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George-
I've sent a few emails to the midwestmashie address, but yes, I'm in for the cabins, don't have a strong preference for single vs. double, though prefer the former. Can we also stay Friday night?
Carl,
Yes, the club will have rooms available for Friday night (may be limited).
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Also, if guys guys want to swap b/c their current team doesn't make sense geographically, let me know. I think Liddy and Bice would be a good swap, correct?
I am from Chicago so the swap makes sense to me but not a big deal either way. Thanks George.
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I don't think I ever said so on this thread, but I will be staying in a cabin and eating all the meals. Not picky about a roommate.
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I don't think I ever said so on this thread, but I will be staying in a cabin and eating all the meals. Not picky about a roommate.
Ditto - although I posted on the website but want to make sure.
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George I would like to stay in a cabin Saturday night if possible. Thanks
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I know I already said I wanted to stay in a cabin, but I'm not sure if I mentioned that I'd like to stay in a cabin both Friday and Saturday nights, if possible. Thanks!
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I'm going to have to withdraw from this event. My son's birthday is turning into a weekend long event and I really don't think I should miss that.
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Okay with me to swap Rob Bice for Tim Liddy, although having three architects on one team is probably pushing our luck.
I am looking through my roster and don't see handicaps yet for Ari Techner, Patrick Boyd and Bill Steele. Everyone else has reported in -- nice work guys.
I feel very strongly that we should do best-ball matches on Saturday and alternate-shot on Sunday.
I also propose that for the purposes of mixing, that all the matches should be 9-hole matches, so we get to play with more people from the other team. [Plus, nine-hole matches are rife with the possibility of upsets.] In the Renaissance Cup, we just reshuffle on the tenth tee, and trade opponents with the group ahead of us or behind us.
It appears from emails that very few of the players on my team know any of the other players, so for the best-ball matches I will just pair everyone some random way ... alphabetically perhaps.
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Tom,
When going alphabetically, remember that "HE" comes either before or after "DO". ;D
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I am truly filled with envy and bummed that I couldn't make it to this event. Make sure you post a blow by blow account of this glorious event.
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Any word on an early morning Saturday round at the Warren Course or elsewhere????
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Rich-
By last account there was a number of people interested but they don't accept tee times till 14 days out.
Chris
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I'm going to have to withdraw from this event. My son's birthday is turning into a weekend long event and I really don't think I should miss that.
Sorry to hear that David.
The first post has been updated with Mike Kennedy moving into David's spot and swapping Bice for Liddy.
Still need two guys willing to play Sunday-only in place of Dan M. and Eric T.
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George,
Hopefully all the spots get filled with GCA folks. Just keep in mind if you need some last minute subs I have some friends in the area that might be able to fill in last minute.
Rich- I think I can arrange an early morning round for 4-8 at a fun little private club down the road from Lost Dunes. Chikaming CC is not the Warren course, but it is fun to play, and 10 minutes from Lost Dunes. Let me know if anyone is interested.
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Richard:
We're going to go alphabetically by FIRST names, not last. So here are my team's pairings for the first day, better-ball competition:
Ari Techner and Bill Steele
Brad Tufts and Carl Nichols
my captain's pick and Jin Kim
Jon Heise and Jonathan Becker
Ken Fry and Kris Belcher
Matt Harrison and Matt O'Brien
Matt Schmidt and Patrick Boyd
Rich Hetzel and Tim Liddy
Tim Nugent and myself
Our official cheer: Go Matt!
Except on the greens, when it changes to: Whoa!
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Tom,
No problem! I have played MANY Tim Liddy courses so I will have something to talk about other than my inconsistent driving of the ball!
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Matt,
Fyi-Chikaming has 4 new holes that don't open for play till Memorial day.
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I would absolutely love to fill in on Sunday morning, but my 4 year old daughter has a dance recital (a pretty generous term!). Hopefully, there is room next year as it would be a pleasure to play.
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So, the east team roster is set, where is the west team roster? Who is going against the Team T&T (Nugent & Doak)?
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Hopefully a couple of chops - Tom's gonna have a tired back carrying me. ;D Don't worry, well help you read your putts, just use the line we give you ;)
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Unfortunately, Jim Colton has had to back out of the event.
Not so bad news for Chuck Brown, the next alternate.
Chuck,
Let me know your info regarding handicap, meals, rooming, etc.
Thanks,
Mgmt
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George,
Hopefully all the spots get filled with GCA folks. Just keep in mind if you need some last minute subs I have some friends in the area that might be able to fill in last minute.
Rich- I think I can arrange an early morning round for 4-8 at a fun little private club down the road from Lost Dunes. Chikaming CC is not the Warren course, but it is fun to play, and 10 minutes from Lost Dunes. Let me know if anyone is interested.
Matt,
I sent you a PM, sounds like a plan! Thanks! Rich
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How about we each throw $20 in a pot and anyone who legitimately plays Saturday's round without 3-putting gets it? ;D
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Shiv,
See Tom's earlier post about the alt-shot and getting around quick for member play
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I would be willing to step in and just play on sunday if you needed someone. I am around a 5 handicap. I haven't posted in a while, but I shot a 78 with Mike Hendren two weeks ago. Just let me know. Thanks.
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I just saw a photo taken from behind and right of #4 green.
You guys talk about wild greens....that green looks wild and fantastic!! If the flag is front right and you're on the far left, it looks as if you could take 10 putts from there. Thank heavens for match play. ;D
For those that haven't played the course and want a peek, tons of photos are here http://www.golfarchitecturepictures.com/Web%20Galleries/USA/Michigan/Lost%20Dunes/index.html
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Just curious, how many have played Lost Dunes already, and how many will be playing it for the first time?
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If it isn't obvious with my above post, I haven't played it.
Invited once....rained out once.
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I've played 2 1/2 rounds there
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I have played there several (10 or 11?) times. Looking forward to the 15th.
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1 round under my belt at Lost Dunes; looking forward to a couple more.
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Sorry to be so bloody unoriginal, but here are my proposed pairings for the west team for day one (sorted by, you guessed it, first names alphabetically):
Chris Flamion and Chuck Brown
Dan Moore and Dave Schmidt
David Cronan and Eric Terhorst
George Freeman and Jeff Tang
Jim Tang and Jug Tigerman
Kevin Cahoon and Mark Smolens
Mike Kennedy and Pat Craig
Rob Bice and Steve Salman
Sven Nilsen and my Captain's Pick
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I would be willing to step in and just play on sunday if you needed someone. I am around a 5 handicap. I haven't posted in a while, but I shot a 78 with Mike Hendren two weeks ago. Just let me know. Thanks.
Zack,
One of the Sunday-only spots it yours. Feel free to join for dinner on Sat night and stay at the club (let me know); or you can arrive Sun morning. If someone drops out, you'll be moved into both days (b/c you're the first alternate).
Thanks and glad you can make it!
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I have played once, on a cold fall day.
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Never played there before. Look forward to it very much...
George did you really put me first one off the tee....
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I have played the course several times, looking forward to the event.
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I will be losing my virginity amidst the Dunes on this trip.
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I will be losing my virginity amidst the Dunes on this trip.
Geez, I thought we were just playin' some golf. . .
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My first time as well. Does the course play tight or wide open?
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My first time as well. Does the course play tight or wide open?
Rich,
The course, in general, has very generous landing areas.
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My first time as well. Does the course play tight or wide open?
Rich,
The course, in general, has very generous landing areas.
I just heard Rich scream WHHHHEEEEWWWWWW! all the way from Cincy...
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I will be losing my virginity amidst the Dunes on this trip.
You guys missed my point. Can't wait for this weekend!
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My first time as well. Does the course play tight or wide open?
Rich,
The course, in general, has very generous landing areas.
I just heard Rich scream WHHHHEEEEWWWWWW! all the way from Cincy...
The last time I played there I only missed one fairway, and that was only by a couple feet. And if I can do that anyone can hit fairways at LD! :) The fun part comes when on the greens! 8)
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Alright Gents,
Time to talk dollars and cents.
The prices for everything were originally outlined in the first post of this thread, but I'll summarize everything again here:
*These prices now include taxes and gratuity*
Saturday lunch: $15
Saturday golf: $105
Saturday dinner: $35
Overnight room (double occupancy): $80 ($160 – single occupancy)
Sunday breakfast: $15
Sunday golf: $105
Sunday lunch: $15
TOTAL: $370 ($450 for a single room)
Alcoholic beverages will be on a cash basis. Also, the honor bar in the cabins will need to be settled on an individual basis Sunday morning.
Caddies – Cash directly to the caddies: $50 per bag plus tip (suggested tip $25-$30 per bag). Forecaddie fee: $50 per foursome ($12.50 per player) plus tip (suggested $10-$15 per bag)
The Club has requested that everyone pay in either cash or check. Anything one doesn't partake in (i.e. certain meals or lodging) will be deducted from the total above. We'll plan on getting everyone squared away upon arrival on Saturday.
Let me know if anyone has any questions.
- George
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Chris & I were chatting about perhaps getting some mid to late afternoon times Sunday at the Warren Course if anyone's interested...
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Jud,
I'm interested in Warren Sunday. If there is a game being planned Sat morning somewhere, I'm also interested. Thanks.
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Alright Gents,
Time to talk dollars and cents.
The prices for everything were originally outlined in the first post of this thread, but I'll summarize everything again here:
*These prices now include taxes and gratuity*
Saturday lunch: $15
Saturday golf: $105
Saturday dinner: $35
Overnight room (double occupancy): $80 ($160 – single occupancy)
Sunday breakfast: $15
Sunday golf: $105
Sunday lunch: $15
TOTAL: $370 ($450 for a single room)
Alcoholic beverages will be on a cash basis. Also, the honor bar in the cabins will need to be settled on an individual basis Sunday morning.
Caddies – Cash directly to the caddies: $50 per bag plus tip (suggested tip $25-$30 per bag). Forecaddie fee: $50 per foursome ($12.50 per player) plus tip (suggested $10-$15 per bag)
The Club has requested that everyone pay in either cash or check. Anything one doesn't partake in (i.e. certain meals or lodging) will be deducted from the total above. We'll plan on getting everyone squared away upon arrival on Saturday.
Let me know if anyone has any questions.
- George
Sounds good. Thanks for posting George. I'm assuming to just make the check out to "Lost Dunes Golf Club?"
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Pat,
I would hold off until you arrive to make sure you're putting the correct name on the check.
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Just curious, how many have played Lost Dunes already, and how many will be playing it for the first time?
Pat, looking forwardas i have not played it but did route a course on the propoerty when another dev was looking at it. Always intersting to see how other attack the same site. Too bad it was quite some time ago and I don't remember much.
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Having never been to the Warren Course, I'd be interested in stopping there on the way home on Sunday. I could also fill a spot in the early Saturday morning group if one is available. . .
Only two weeks. Hope the weather's as good then as it appears to be this weekend (God I hate sitting in the office working on Saturdays -- the price you pay for procrastinating when a brief's deadline approaches I guess).
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Still need a guy to come play on Sunday to take the place of one of the Saturday-only guys. Let me know if you're interested!
- George
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George,
Just found out I need to attend Grandson christening the weekend of the event. Anyway I can take a rain check for next time?
Tim
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George,
What time will we be playing on Sunday? That will determine whether it makes sense to drive up in the morning....
thanx,
Jon
Still need a guy to come play on Sunday to take the place of one of the Saturday-only guys. Let me know if you're interested!
- George
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Actually, I can probably play Saturday as well.... Let me know....
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I've made 3 tee times at the Warren Course at Notre Dame by Coore & Crenshaw starting at 3:06 EST Sunday afternoon. Looks like it's about a 45 minute drive from Lost Dunes. Thus far we have:
Jud Tigerman
Chris Flamion
Paul Thomas
Mark Smolens
Steve Salmen
Ken Fry (?)
Anyone else interested just shoot me a PM...
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George,
Just found out I need to attend Grandson christening the weekend of the event. Anyway I can take a rain check for next time?
Tim
Sorry to hear that Tim!
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George,
Just found out I need to attend Grandson christening the weekend of the event. Anyway I can take a rain check for next time?
Tim
Tim, congrats on the Christening. I was looking forward to chatting. Next time!
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Tim:
We'll miss having you as part of the team.
George:
My associate Brian Slawnik says he will likely come to play, so he can fill Tim's spot. He's a Michigan boy so it makes sense to keep him on our side ... even though our total handicap just went up a few spots.
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Zack Molnar, who was the #1 alternate, can step into Tim's spot. Tom's associate Brian can be my captain's pick.
6 one way, half a dozen the other...
Thanks!
Now that Zack is playing both days, we'll need two alternates for Sunday only. Jon, see your PM.
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George, will you be sending us the code for the front gate to get into the place? I can never seem to remember it (maybe 4#$@?).
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Zack Molnar will only be able to make Sunday, so Andrew Lewis is in!
Andrew, hopefully you can still make it. Let me know about your handicap, meals, lodging, etc.
Thanks
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George -
I am still available and would be delighted to join. My index is 6.0. Will partake in all meals, and Saturday night lodging in the cabins. Would prefer a single room if available, but am fine bunking with somebody if not.
Best, Andrew
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George et al,
Unfortunately I twisted my knee this past weekend (playing guitar no less, middle age sucks!). It's not horrible but I don't want to take a spot on the chance it will be better by next week, so please fill my spot from the wait list if possible. I'm bummed I can't make it and am sorry for any inconvenience this may cause. As for the Warren course, there are 3 times under my name and a 24 hour cancellation policy. I will coordinate with Chris F. on this....Have a great time all and again my apologies...
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Jud - sorry to hear the news. That must have been some move with the guitar.
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Thanx-
Unfortunately it wasn't like I was stage-diving. More the accumulation of ski injuries and a bit too much jumping around....Not very Rock and Roll I'm afraid....
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George et al,
Unfortunately I twisted my knee this past weekend (playing guitar no less, middle age sucks!). It's not horrible but I don't want to take a spot on the chance it will be better by next week, so please fill my spot from the wait list if possible. I'm bummed I can't make it and am sorry for any inconvenience this may cause. As for the Warren course, there are 3 times under my name and a 24 hour cancellation policy. I will coordinate with Chris F. on this....Have a great time all and again my apologies...
Jud - Sounds like a pretty Lame excuse. You'll be fine in 2 weeks - your not that old! By then it will probably just feel like mine does all the time ;D Motrine and Scotch will make it feel all better.
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Wow just got thrown under the bus didn't I.
I have Jud's list from a few post previous written down, anyone else interested send me a PM.
Thanks
Chris
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George:
Any further information about whether we could stay in the cabins Friday night? Thx,
Carl
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I'm also interested in a cabin Friday night. If we can stay Friday night, please let me know if there is an arrival deadline that we need to worry about, or other detail(s) worth noting.
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Carl and Matt,
You guys are all set for cabins on Friday night. I'll check with the club regarding how late you guys can arrive.
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Thanx-
Unfortunately it wasn't like I was stage-diving. More the accumulation of ski injuries and a bit too much jumping around....Not very Rock and Roll I'm afraid....
Jud, I cracked a rib sneezing once! Very athletic!
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What is the lost golf ball factor at Lost Dunes? Do I need to bring extra balls?
Also, are cargo shorts and backwards hats allowed?
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Jin, I'm fairly certain that the two balls in your cargo shorts will be more than enough, unless of course you decide to get involved with Mr. Moore's virginity issues. :-X
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What is the lost golf ball factor at Lost Dunes? Do I need to bring extra balls?
Also, are cargo shorts and backwards hats allowed?
Jin,
The lost ball factor at Lost Dunes (I'm sure the pun wasn't intended) isn't huge. As long as you're not spraying it +40 yds offline, you shouldn't lose a ton of balls.
I would stay away from the cargo shorts and lets keep the hats pointing forward, eh?
- George
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George:
Heard from Brian Slawnik again today, he is not coming after all. So, we may both be one player short, which is no big deal ... our only problem will be if we don't have the same numbers and have to put someone's name "in the envelope".
The way I've played in Bandon the past two days, I should probably put my own name in there!
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George,
Hopefully all the spots get filled with GCA folks. Just keep in mind if you need some last minute subs I have some friends in the area that might be able to fill in last minute.
Rich- I think I can arrange an early morning round for 4-8 at a fun little private club down the road from Lost Dunes. Chikaming CC is not the Warren course, but it is fun to play, and 10 minutes from Lost Dunes. Let me know if anyone is interested.
Matt,
I sent you a PM, sounds like a plan! Thanks! Rich
Rich, Matt:
Are you guys planning to play early Saturday morning? Does anyone else have plans to play Sat am?
Carl
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Carl and Matt, I sent you PM's. Brad Tufts would like to join as well.
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if there's golf early Sat or late Sunday pls let me know as i might very well be interested, thx
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Looks like we still need on person for Sunday. Anyone interested?
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Here is what I have for rooms so far, please let me know about changes/preferences:
Matt S. (Fri & Sat) & Rich H.
Jon H. & Kris B.
the Tang Brothers
Rob B. & Sven N.
Dave S. & Mike K.
Carl N. (Fri & Sat)
Bill Steele and Ken Fry are the only two not staying at the club as far as I'm aware.
That is it so far. I'll randomly pair the rest, and what is left over will go to the single room requests.
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Official rooming schedule:
Cabin 1
1 Pat Craig & George Freeman
2 Andrew Calcutt & Jon Winick
3 Ari Techner & Patrick Boyd
4 Matt O'Brien & Chris Flamion
Cabin 2
1 Matt Schmidt & Rich Hetzel
2 Jon Heise & Kris Belcher
3 Rob Bice & Sven Nilsen
4 Dave Schmidt & Mike Kennedy
Cabin 3
1 Kevin Cahoon & Steve Salmen
2 Mark Smolens & Bill Seitz
3 Tom Doak (single)
4 John Kavanaugh (single)
Cabin 4
1 Jeff Tang & Jim Tang
2 Chuck Brown & John Becker
3 Andrew Lewis & Brad Tufts
4 empty
Cabin 5
1 Jin Kim (single)
2 Carl Nichols (single)
3 Matt Harrison (single)
4 Tim Nugent & _________
Speak now or forever hold your peace.
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Thanks George and Tom for all your work in pulling this together. I was talking to a friend yesterday who is a superintendent in Chicago and Lost Dunes is his favorite course; he told me to expect a couple of 3-4 putts.
Its not really clear how the pairings have shaken out, so i was wondering if its possible to post the match-ups sometime before Saturday. Thanks.
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I didn't see any final word on golfing early Saturday near Lost Dunes. If anyone is golfing then and there is an opening, please let me know. Thanks!
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Thanks George and Tom for all your work in pulling this together. I was talking to a friend yesterday who is a superintendent in Chicago and Lost Dunes is his favorite course; he told me to expect a couple of 3-4 putts.
Its not really clear how the pairings have shaken out, so i was wondering if its possible to post the match-ups sometime before Saturday. Thanks.
Dan:
My pairings will still be the same, with the one cancellation being filled out of alphabetical order:
SLOT 1: Ari Techner and Bill Steele
SLOT 2: Brad Tufts and Carl Nichols
SLOT 3: Jin Kim and John Kavanaugh
SLOT 4: Jon Heise and Jonathan Becker
SLOT 5: Ken Fry and Kris Belcher
SLOT 6: Matt Harrison and Matt O'Brien
SLOT 7: Matt Schmidt and Patrick Boyd
SLOT 8: Rich Hetzel and Andrew Lewis [replacement]
SLOT 9: Tim Nugent and myself
Perhaps George can copy this and add pairings / opponents.
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I didn't see any final word on golfing early Saturday near Lost Dunes. If anyone is golfing then and there is an opening, please let me know. Thanks!
Matt:
Rich Hetzel and I have both sent you PMs.
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Dan:
My pairings will still be the same, with the one cancellation being filled out of alphabetical order:
SLOT 1: Ari Techner and Bill Steele
SLOT 2: Brad Tufts and Carl Nichols
SLOT 3: Jin Kim and John Kavanaugh
SLOT 4: Jon Heise and Jonathan Becker
SLOT 5: Ken Fry and Kris Belcher
SLOT 6: Matt Harrison and Matt O'Brien
SLOT 7: Matt Schmidt and Patrick Boyd
SLOT 8: Rich Hetzel and Andrew Lewis [replacement]
SLOT 9: Tim Nugent and myself
Perhaps George can copy this and add pairings / opponents.
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Please see the below pairings for the first round, complete with approx. tee times.
Best Ball
West Team East Team
Group 1 1:00pm Andrew Calcutt & Bill Sietz VS. Ari Techner & Bill Steele
Group 2 1:10pm Chris Flamion & Chuck Brown VS. Brad Tufts & Carl Nichols
Group 3 1:20pm Dan Moore & Dave Schmidt VS. Jin Kim & John Kavanaugh
Group 4 1:30pm Eric Terhorst & George Freeman VS. Jon Heise & Jonathan Becker
Group 5 1:40pm Jeff Tang & Jon Winick VS. Ken Fry & Kris Bekcher
Group 6 1:50pm Jim Tang & Kevin Cahoon VS. Matt Harrison & Matt O' Brien
Group 7 2:00pm Mark Smolens & Mike Kennedy VS. Matt Schmidt & Patrick Boyd
Group 8 2:10pm Pat Craig & Rob Bice VS. Rich Hetzel & Andrew Lewis
Group 9 2:20pm Steve Salmen & Sven Nilsen VS. Tim Nugent & Tom Doak
Not sure what the exact plan is for Sunday morning's rounds (Alternate Shot?) and how those should be paired (by handicap?). Regarless, let me know if you want me to switch around the excel spreadsheet to create pairings for then as well.
Looking forward to it!
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Let's still plan on playing nine hole matches ... then at the tenth tee, West team 1 will play East team 2, followed by West 2 vs. East 1. If we are still on an odd number of matches, the last match will have to be a rematch, unless one of the earlier groups demands a rematch and keeps on going.
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Cabin 3
1 Kevin Cahoon & Steve Salmen
2 Mark Smolens & Bill Seitz
3 Tom Doak (single)
4 John Kavanaugh (single)
Any chance of a live video feed from the living area of Cabin 3?
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Mr. Kennedy, please permit me to apologize in advance. What kind of beer do you like? I will bring some along for Saturday evening -- to make up for the afternoon of riding your back as my handicap is currently going in the wrong direction. . .
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Let's still plan on playing nine hole matches ... then at the tenth tee, West team 1 will play East team 2, followed by West 2 vs. East 1. If we are still on an odd number of matches, the last match will have to be a rematch, unless one of the earlier groups demands a rematch and keeps on going.
By my account then the back nine pairings would look like the following:
Best Ball
Back Nine West Team East Team
Group 1 3:00pm Andrew Calcutt & Bill Sietz VS. Brad Tufts & Carl Nichols
Group 2 3:10pm Chris Flamion & Chuck Brown VS. Ari Techner & Bill Steele
Group 3 3:20pm Dan Moore & Dave Schmidt VS. Jon Heise & Jonathan Becker
Group 4 3:30pm Eric Terhorst & George Freeman VS. Jin Kim & John Kavanaugh
Group 5 3:40pm Jeff Tang & Jon Winick VS. Matt Harrison & Matt O' Brien
Group 6 3:50pm Jim Tang & Kevin Cahoon VS. Ken Fry & Kris Bekcher
Group 7 4:00pm Mark Smolens & Mike Kennedy VS. Rich Hetzel & Andrew Lewis
Group 8 4:10pm Pat Craig & Rob Bice VS. Matt Schmidt & Patrick Boyd
Group 9 4:20pm Steve Salmen & Sven Nilsen VS. Tim Nugent & Tom Doak
All I know is it doesn't matter who is playing Rob and I, because they're going down! :) ;)
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Just curious as to who's actually running the show for the Chicago squad. Is George our captain, or has he abdicated the thrown to Pat? In either case, just need to know who I'm looking to for inspiration when Tim and Tom are putting on the pressure.
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Just curious as to who's actually running the show for the Chicago squad. Is George our captain, or has he abdicated the thrown to Pat? In either case, just need to know who I'm looking to for inspiration when Tim and Tom are putting on the pressure.
George is the Captain. I just so happen to be the one with the excel spreadsheet and within earshot of George at work. :)
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Ah, I get it, you're George's boss.
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Ah, I get it, you're George's boss.
It's the other way around :) ;)
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Ah, I get it, you're George's boss.
It's the other way around :) ;)
Neither Pat nor I are the Boss of anyone...unfortunately. Someone has to be at the bottom of the totem poll.
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I think we should reserve a couple of captain's picks for each team, that don't have to be first come-first served. Up to you how you use them. I will probably go off the World Ranking List.
My pairings will still be the same, with the one cancellation being filled out of alphabetical order:
SLOT 1: Ari Techner and Bill Steele
SLOT 2: Brad Tufts and Carl Nichols
SLOT 3: Jin Kim and John Kavanaugh
SLOT 4: Jon Heise and Jonathan Becker
SLOT 5: Ken Fry and Kris Belcher
SLOT 6: Matt Harrison and Matt O'Brien
SLOT 7: Matt Schmidt and Patrick Boyd
SLOT 8: Rich Hetzel and Andrew Lewis [replacement]
SLOT 9: Tim Nugent and myself
You weren't kidding. Top notch!
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Excellent. Thank you.
Here's hoping my partner's handicap stays below 0.3 until later that night.
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Matt:
Rich Hetzel and I have both sent you PMs.
I haven't received them yet...you can try mjschmidt123@hotmail.com
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Dave, I know, I played with you a few weeks ago. The putts with the head cover on the driver were awesome. I'd stick to that instead of the long putter. Don't worry I'll carry the scorecard.
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Long putters ??? Wondering if anyone else spent an hour during the Hawks game last night installing cheater lines on their new yellow Srixons? And boy I sure hope I get a caddy who has a laser link out there. . .
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Mark:
What's your caddy going to do while you're driving the cart (GPS equipped)?
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Very good Sven, but no gps at Lost Dunes. . . If I have to pull out the Bushnell, I certainly will ;)
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Well it currently looks like Lost Dunes is in a flood warning according to weather.com, but at least we have perfect weather on deck for the weekend of 65*+ and Sun! 8)
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Looks like the really heavy stuff has already passed on through. Hopefully 65 and sunny tomorrow will dry things out -- though I certainly wouldn't mind if they had to leave the greens uncut. I have an idea that the super's going to try to make it difficult for us, and on those greens that won't be very difficult. Somehow I don't think that tomorrow's round at Poplar Creek will be very good preparation for the weekend!
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Looks like the really heavy stuff has already passed on through. Hopefully 65 and sunny tomorrow will dry things out -- though I certainly wouldn't mind if they had to leave the greens uncut. I have an idea that the super's going to try to make it difficult for us, and on those greens that won't be very difficult. Somehow I don't think that tomorrow's round at Poplar Creek will be very good preparation for the weekend!
The super can try his best to make it hard on us, however I equiped my ProV1's with bold cheater lines last night in preperation of any tough 2 footers. :) ;D ;)
It is supposed to be windy tomorrow, which should help dry everything out, and I believe everything is built on sand, so that should help keep the course somewhat dry.
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Looks like the really heavy stuff has already passed on through. Hopefully 65 and sunny tomorrow will dry things out -- though I certainly wouldn't mind if they had to leave the greens uncut. I have an idea that the super's going to try to make it difficult for us, and on those greens that won't be very difficult. Somehow I don't think that tomorrow's round at Poplar Creek will be very good preparation for the weekend!
The super can try his best to make it hard on us, however I equiped my ProV1's with bold cheater lines last night in preperation of any tough 2 footers. :) ;D ;)
It is supposed to be windy tomorrow, which should help dry everything out, and I believe everything is built on sand, so that should help keep the course somewhat dry.
I'm predicting the best golf weather we've had for a while. It looks like the 2nd wave this afternoon could be worse for them (we got 3'3" up here in Lake County already). All the Stormwater design here at White Deer Run is functioning as designed but another deluge could stress it.
I wouldn't be counting on firm and fast but at least it should be dry. Not worrying about those greens, I got my Belly Putter ;D (Plus TD's my partner - who needs a caddy?
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Looks like the really heavy stuff has already passed on through. Hopefully 65 and sunny tomorrow will dry things out -- though I certainly wouldn't mind if they had to leave the greens uncut. I have an idea that the super's going to try to make it difficult for us, and on those greens that won't be very difficult. Somehow I don't think that tomorrow's round at Poplar Creek will be very good preparation for the weekend!
The super can try his best to make it hard on us, however I equiped my ProV1's with bold cheater lines last night in preperation of any tough 2 footers. :) ;D ;)
It is supposed to be windy tomorrow, which should help dry everything out, and I believe everything is built on sand, so that should help keep the course somewhat dry.
I'm predicting the best golf weather we've had for a while. It looks like the 2nd wave this afternoon could be worse for them (we got 3'3" up here in Lake County already). All the Stormwater design here at White Deer Run is functioning as designed but another deluge could stress it.
I wouldn't be counting on firm and fast but at least it should be dry. Not worrying about those greens, I got my Belly Putter ;D (Plus TD's my partner - who needs a caddy?
The back of my office building looks out onto the Des Plaines River. Last week it was almost bone dry, now it's really moving and probably 7' high!
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Oh, just wait - more is coming, that's just the stuff from Wisconsin! Where on the DesPlaines are you?
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Oh, just wait - more is coming, that's just the stuff from Wisconsin! Where on the DesPlaines are you?
On the Des Plaines in Des Plaines
I'm in Rosemont. :)
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3.3" TYPO
But my pond probably went up 3'3" ;D
At least you have the Pre-emminant Hydraulogist Chris Burke right down the street.
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I just checked WeatherUnderground and it looks good for the weekend. No rain, some sun. Overnight lows dipping below 50, but daytime highs into the 60's. Cool, only light breezes. (Nae wind, nae golf!) Maybe just a t-neck and a windshirt.
A dumb question: Is there any kind of agenda/itinerary/summary of events or at least tee times yet?
A million thanks to George Freeman and anybody/everybody who has helped George.
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The super can try his best to make it hard on us, however I equiped my ProV1's with bold cheater lines last night in preperation of any tough 2 footers. :) ;D ;)
As your playing partner, those will be conceded every time...
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Golf with GCAers is the best. There isn't a jealous bone in my body, but perhaps a bit of jealous cartilage somewhere in here, because I just can't get my head 'round the fact that I am not going to Michigan tomorrow. I really, really wanted to go on this trip.
Have a ball gentlemen. Take lots of pics.
Edit: after reading Patrick Boyd's text just now I definitely can be (and am) jealous!
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I just checked WeatherUnderground and it looks good for the weekend. No rain, some sun. Overnight lows dipping below 50, but daytime highs into the 60's. Cool, only light breezes. (Nae wind, nae golf!) Maybe just a t-neck and a windshirt.
A dumb question: Is there any kind of agenda/itinerary/summary of events or at least tee times yet?
A million thanks to George Freeman and anybody/everybody who has helped George.
Chuck -
I posted approx. tee times and pairings for the first round yesterday. Should be on page 6 or so. You'll be in one of the earlier groups off.
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I can not explain how much I am looking forward to this weekend. Big thanks to Tom, George, and everyone who has helped put this all together.
Chuck
You drew me as a partner. Sorry.
Chris
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I can not explain how much I am looking forward to this weekend. Big thanks to Tom, George, and everyone who has helped put this all together.
Chuck
You drew me as a partner. Sorry.
Chris
Roll Tide.
If you want, we can drive up to the stretch of I-475 near Flint that they want to name in honor of Mark Ingram. ;D
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Chuck -
I posted approx. tee times and pairings for the first round yesterday. Should be on page 6 or so. You'll be in one of the earlier groups off.
Got it; thank you. I had seen the pairings and overlooked the times, in my haste to catch up on the thread. And Pat, thanks for all of your work on this too!
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Have fun folks! I am not ashamed to admit that my overflowing jealousy is only tamed by my anticipation for OM opening. I wish I could have been there.
Please keep us posted with up to the minute happenings!
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Before I forget, I too wish to thank Messrs. Freeman, Doak, Craig, and any others responsible for putting this event together. I certainly look forward to several adult beverages with a GCA crew, and hope that I'm able to contribute just a little to my partner's efforts on the links.
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Well said, Mark. Thanks a bunch to all for organizing- looking forward to some fun, good golf, and good discussion. Can't wait to get to the back tee on 14 with the sun out!
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Does the Club permit shorts?
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Does the Club permit shorts?
Yes, i believe so.
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Jackets needed for dinner?
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Jackets needed for dinner?
No, I don't think so.
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I've worn shorts at Lost Dunes, can't imagine that would be an issue.
One more day to go and the weather is looking perfect. Time to make a trip to the range later today to tune up! :)
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Can I caddy for John Kavanaugh? He called me and asked me to.
Anthony
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I've worn shorts at Lost Dunes, can't imagine that would be an issue.
One more day to go and the weather is looking perfect. Time to make a trip to the range later today to tune up! :)
That was on yesterday's schedule but getting splattered with mud wasn't high on my list. Looks like today's a better day and this weekend should be glorious! Sunny and 60's is my ideal golfing weather!!!
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Just to make sure, I currently have no one scheduled to stay at Lost Dunes tonight.
Please let me know otherwise.
Thanks!
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I have 1 spot open for Warren Course Saturday at 7:24 if anyone is interested.......
PS: Matt H., I sent you a text message referencing this! Thanks! Looking forward to this weekend!
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Just to make sure, I currently have no one scheduled to stay at Lost Dunes tonight.
Please let me know otherwise.
Thanks!
George:
Correct as to me.
Thanks again for organizing.
Carl
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Just to make sure, I currently have no one scheduled to stay at Lost Dunes tonight.
Please let me know otherwise.
Thanks!
George - I still plan to be there tonight. I've made arrangements with the club and I believe I am all set.
If that presents a problem, let me know.
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Not a bad way to spend a weekend huh? Thanks to everyone who made it possible, have wanted to see Lost Dunes for years and years, and to get to visit with the GCA group... very nice.
A couple pics:
1st green:
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A look back at 2:
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3rd green. Good luck.
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The 4th. Ho hum. Right? Nope!
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Lots of options near the 6th green:
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A distant look to #7:
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Tee shot at #8. Right is NOT the best place to hit it...
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Jonathan Becker, driving the green at 12:
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My congratulations to Captain George Freeman for the West's 11-9 victory over the East in the first Midwest Mashie.
I insisted on some foursomes matches day 2, and our East team was 1-4 in those to seal its demise, before playing well in the singles matches.
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I had a great time at the event. The golf was great, meeting lots of new golf fanatics and seeing some familiar faces made for a fun time, and Tom's discussion Saturday night after dinner was really interesting. Thanks to those responsible to setting this up and I look forward to playing in future Mashie's!!
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Jonathan drove the 12th green!? Wow.
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I had a great time at the event. The golf was great, meeting lots of new golf fanatics and seeing some familiar faces made for a fun time, and Tom's discussion Saturday night after dinner was really interesting. Thanks to those responsible to setting this up and I look forward to playing in future Mashie's!!
I agree. Tom -- thanks for hosting and for spending so much time Saturday night talking to us. George -- thanks for organizing.
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Thanks to George for organizing an really enjoyable event. And thanks to Tom for his generosity in helping pave the way for the visit and the time he gave us on the course and after dinner Saturday night.
I enjoyed meeting some new friends and look forward to meeting again on the golf course sometime soon.
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Thank you very much George and Tom. It was a very special event at a great venue. I enjoyed meeting many people from GCA. Thank you Sven, my partner this weekend. We proved the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
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It was a great weekend-thanks, George, for handling the logistics. Tom, appreciated you taking the time to share last night-hope you had a good time.
Tangs- fun to run into some STC grads!
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Jonathan drove the 12th green!? Wow.
Carl,
Even though that was one of my better drives, I think that Jon is just having some fun. ;) ;D
Many thanks to George and Tom for having us and hosting a great event. I had lots of fun meeting everyone and had a great time playing with my partner Jon H, George F, Eric T, Mike K, Andrew C, and Brad T. You guys were all great.
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Great event and thanx to George for putting this together and Tom for making the accomodations. This was my first GCA golf event and it was so much fun. It was also interesting how people differed in person versus on GCA.
I think we should definitely do this again. I might be able to host. Thanx, everyone!
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Many thanks to all involved, but especially George, Tom and the staff at Lost Dunes. This was my first official GCA event, and I had a blast meeting and playing with so many other architecture-obsessed folks.
Best, Andrew
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Thanks to George Freeman, Tom Doak and the staff at Lost Dunes for a fantastic weekend. Also thanks to Tom and Tim Nugent for sharing your experiences and current outlook on gca at Saturday night's discussion.
It was great catching up with some familiar faces and having another chance to put faces with names.
Thanks to Kris Belcher and Tim Nugent for carrying my butt around for 36 holes. The East side came up short much to the disappointment of Coach Doak, but already looking forward to next year's rematch!
Ken Fry
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Ditto to all that has been said above...a great weekend.
Special thanks to Tom for his time and for the treat of playing at LD, as well as humoring all the questions on Saturday night. Thanks also to George, even though his team beat ours!
I enjoyed all my playing partners for the weekend, and I look forward to seeing you all at later events and golf trips!
-Brad T.
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Congratulations to you guys for playing foursomes matches. We play afternoon foursomes at the Buda Cup every year and they are really fun to play. It's a shame we don't play more alternate shot golf in the US.
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Jonathan drove the 12th green!? Wow.
Carl: no chance. This picture was taken on Saturday and it was dead into the wind. On Sunday, a guy like Jon Hurley might (and I emphasize "might") have been able to get there....
Dave:
I assumed that was the case, and was kinda messing around.
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Jonathan drove the 12th green!? Wow.
Carl: no chance. This picture was taken on Saturday and it was dead into the wind. On Sunday, a guy like Jon Hurley might (and I emphasize "might") have been able to get there....
Shivas,
I smoked that ball and still had 100 yds in for the second shot!! But at 391 yds downwind, like it was the second day, maybe some of the long drive guys might be able to get it there. I would love to see someone attempt it.
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Top ten things I learned this weekend:
1. There are not only some great personalities on this site, but some great players as well.
2. Tom Doak can smoke a 3 Wood from 235 into the wind and leave it pin high.
3. I might need to learn Chinese.
4. If you're looking forward to scrambled eggs for breakfast at Lost Dunes, you better have a tee time after 9:00.
5. For some people, range time is overrated.
6. Red wings fans aren't so bad afterall.
7. Golfers love grass.
8. As Tim Nugent put it, even Frankenstein isn't quite so sure what to do with the Monster some times (ie - those greens were nasty).
9. Having your name at the end of the list alphabetically can be a blessing.
10. The road hole bunker fits two, horizontally.
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Great stories, great partners (Tom & Ken), Great Course, Great weather, and great Matches. All in all - it was Great.
Thanks to Tom and George for the opportunity. And thanks to the staff and members at LD for giving us the run of the place and making us feel at home.
Can't wait for MWM II
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What a great weekend! Glad that we could keep the Mashie on the right side of Lake Michigan :)
Many many thanks to George, Tom, and everyone at Lost Dunes for putting on a fantastic event. It was great being paired with my partner for the weekend, Rob B., and I owe him more than a few beers for carrying my duck hook swing around for two days. We also had a blast playing alternate shot on Sunday morning. It was great playing with Rich H., Andrew L., Tim N., Ken F., Andrew C., Steve S., and Jon W. over the weekend at both Lost Dunes and at the Warren Course. IT was also great meeting many of you for the first time before and after the rounds and to be able to put names together with faces.
The golf course was in great shape this weekend and the pin placements made the already great greens even more fun to play. After 3" of rain the previous Thursday, it was almost bone dry and playing fast.
I will second the comments made and thanks to Tom for his talk and Q&A after dinner Saturday night...a complete treat!
I hope that this becomes an annual success and that we can start planning next years event soon!! :)
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Top ten things I learned this weekend:
1. There are not only some great personalities on this site, but some great players as well.
2. Tom Doak can smoke a 3 Wood from 235 into the wind and leave it pin high.
3. I might need to learn Chinese.
4. If you're looking forward to scrambled eggs for breakfast at the Dunes Club, you better have a tee time after 9:00.
5. For some people, range time is overrated.
6. Red wings fans aren't so bad afterall.
7. Golfers love grass.
8. As Tim Nugent put it, even Frankenstein isn't quite so sure what to do with the Monster some times (ie - those greens were nasty).
9. Having your name at the end of the list alphabetically can be a blessing.
10. The road hole bunker fits two, horizontally.
are you sure about #6 Sven???? ;)
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Some of the participants.
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I'll never think about raking the Road Hole bunker in the same way again... :) ;)
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I'll never think about raking the Road Hole bunker in the same way again... :) ;)
Heavens NO!!!
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I'll never think about raking the Road Hole bunker in the same way again... :) ;)
Heavens NO!!!
and who thought being in a bunker was always a bad thing.....
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Some of the participants.
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Despite the negative Red Wing vibes from the jealous peanut gallery, who are these guys? I especially want to get a good look at Paul and Sven.
Ciao
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Some pictures from Michigan this weekend.
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Your Humble Narrator, just before departing for Bridgman
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Captian George and Chris Flamion
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This is the approach into the 17th hole
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Andrew, Matt, Your Humble Narrator, and Sven
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Captain Tom speaking Saturday night
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Tim Nugent and Tom Doak
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Tim Nugent teeing off on 18. My initial thought was, "Oh Heavens, nice shot, Ansel"
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My awesome partner, Sven Nilsen teeing off on #14
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The lovely 14th
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Your Humble Narrator teeing off. Too much right leg action.
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Does this look like a 12 handicap player? Just thinking out loud.
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu303/mur352/Michigan545.jpg)
The 12th hole from the elevated tee
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No first tee jitters here
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Rob Bice on 1
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I believe this is Rich Hetzel, Pat Craig, Andrew Lewis, and Sven Nilsen
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Warm up on the range
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Paul Thomas, Mark Smolens, Tim Nugent, and Pat Craig
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What a motley crew in Dan's last pic....
Carl Nichols, me, Chris Flamion, Chuck Brown....pre pillowfight.
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Great pictures Steve and thanks for the fun match yesterday at Warren!
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I still can't believe I missed this. I was nashing my teeth all weekend and drowning my sorrrows in Vodka! Glad to see everyone had a good time and the good guys took home the cup!
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I think Steve's nickname should be Rocco (as in Mediate) :)
thanks to all esp George for a good time at the Warren ccourse
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My wife and I are still having a laugh about my overnight trip with all the men I know from the internet.
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My wife and I are still having a laugh about my overnight trip with all the men I know from the internet.
Ha, very good point. Although why did you miss your not so early tee time Sunday morning?
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To quote Peter Allis, "Oh the devil drink, we go way back"
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Steve was teeing off on the even holes in alternate shot. He made it in time to hit his tee ball on #2. After a gir and two putts, we were all square. See #5 in my top ten list earlier in the thread.
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Thanks to everyone who put it together, I had a tremendous time. Says something about how much everyone enjoyed it when everyone was asking where to next around the 18th green.
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I have several alibis for this past weekend. Besides, the guy does not wear sunglasses:
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I have several alibis for this past weekend. Besides, the guy does not wear sunglasses:
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu303/mur352/Mur1.jpg)
Looks like the live ammo that was retrieved from Tom's friend in Kohler ;D :)
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I have several alibis for this past weekend. Besides, the guy does not wear sunglasses:
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu303/mur352/Mur1.jpg)
Now I know where you learned to "Bomb" it like that!
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What a great weekend! I now understand and have a greater appreciation about what Tom was referring to when he spoke about "playing the course twice", Lost Dunes grows on you as you experience it more. Here are a few pictures (27 to be exact!)!
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Jon Heise on #9 green...
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Lost Dunes is a terrific golf course and a great site for the inaugural Midwest Mashie. Sorry I couldn't make it, but there's always next year!
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Jonathan drove the 12th green!? Wow.
Carl,
Even though that was one of my better drives, I think that Jon is just having some fun. ;) ;D
Many thanks to George and Tom for having us and hosting a great event. I had lots of fun meeting everyone and had a great time playing with my partner Jon H, George F, Eric T, Mike K, Andrew C, and Brad T. You guys were all great.
pffft, modesty. JB's deep. He's on my GCA scramble team. We'll take all your monies.
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Jonathan Becker, driving the green at 12:
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r277/jheise29/Lost%20Dunes/IMG_3037.jpg)
Is he playing thru? There's people down there!! :o
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Tom Y:
The people down there include caddies and forecaddie and maybe someone playing #11 -- there seemed to be a lot of balls over on #12 from the eleventh tee, more than I'm used to seeing.
Tom, you would be interested to know that we sent out five foursomes (alternate-shot) matches followed by four groups of four playing singles matches. The foursomes matches all finished 18 holes in 3 1/2 hours or less; then we had to wait 1/2 hour for the first four-ball to get home, and they straggled in after that, several minutes apart.
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Tom D,
I blame my inability to attend for Team Michigan's loss.
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Tom Y:
The people down there include caddies and forecaddie and maybe someone playing #11 -- there seemed to be a lot of balls over on #12 from the eleventh tee, more than I'm used to seeing.
Tom, you would be interested to know that we sent out five foursomes (alternate-shot) matches followed by four groups of four playing singles matches. The foursomes matches all finished 18 holes in 3 1/2 hours or less; then we had to wait 1/2 hour for the first four-ball to get home, and they straggled in after that, several minutes apart.
Tom:
We were actually a three-ball and finished at exactly four hours, probably 1 or 1 1/2 holes back of the foursomes match in front of us. Behind us there was at least a 1/2 hour gap, and we had a twosome of members finish behind us, who must've snuck in among the GCA groups.
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Tom Yost,
Most caddies know that the safest place to stand is the middle of the fairway. ;)
Our group's forecaddie hustled and was pretty quick with the yardages. I appreciated that.
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Is there a committee already hard at work planning next year's Midwest Mashie? I would love to attend if its on the other side of Lake Michigan.
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I'm glad I got to meet many that attended - class acts all around. It was a great first GCA event for me and I look forward to many more.
Tom D. - thanks again for being so generous with your time and information. Tim - thanks for your time and input as well. Sven - nice top 10 list! Steve S - my wife still can't get her head around this male bonding via internet thing, and there is no way to verbalize it that makes any sense! Andrew - although you kindly noted that there are no apologies in foursomes, I'M SORRY! ;D Pat and Mike K - it's good to be Foo King Long (and I want some of those Foo King Scratch wedges - spinning a 15-yard shot out of the junk is a nice way to sell clubs!!). Mark S - not every one can (or should) wear purple pants - I like your style! Rich - hope you made it home OK after all that driving. Everyone else - Thanks.
P.S. I ordered a few dozen ProV1's via one of those personalization offers with "MIDWEST MASHIE....LOST DUNES GC.....MAY 15-16 2010" on them. Was going to pass them around, but despite the delivery guarantee, they arrived TODAY. So if any of you make it to metro-Detroit and want to tee it up, I can host and give you some souvenir golf balls!
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Tom Y:
The people down there include caddies and forecaddie and maybe someone playing #11 -- there seemed to be a lot of balls over on #12 from the eleventh tee, more than I'm used to seeing.
Tom, you would be interested to know that we sent out five foursomes (alternate-shot) matches followed by four groups of four playing singles matches. The foursomes matches all finished 18 holes in 3 1/2 hours or less; then we had to wait 1/2 hour for the first four-ball to get home, and they straggled in after that, several minutes apart.
Tom, I believe that my foursomes match (we were first off) finished in about 3:05. I think everybody really enjoyed it.
JC Jones - I can explain the Michigan/East loss; it was because I alternated in as a "West" player ;)
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Thanks for a fun weekend. Team Michigan has their work cut out for next year. Captian Doak will have a practice for us next year at Old Mac ;) see you all next year.
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Though this is probably getting boring, let me too reiterate my thanks to our Captains, George and Tom, for putting this together. I can't wait to get back to Bridgman in August. I had a blast with all of my playing partners and opponents (Matt, he who owns the purple, rules the world. . . and Zack, you owe me a golf ball).
Just wondering, did Steve's camera get into that bottle of Jack on Saturday night? For some reason Rich's photos seemed to be more sober. ;D
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Thanks for all the kind words. It was truly a pleasure meeting everyone and I had a blast hacking it around Lost Dunes with my playing partners (sorry Bill S. for pulling me as an alternate shot partner!). Thank you again Tom for helping us get out at Lost Dunes and putting up with our Q&A Saturday night. I think I can speak for everyone when I say it was really interesting getting your insight on various topics, including the golf course we all just played.
Good work to the West Team in winning the Inaugural Midwest Mashie (11-9)! The Mashie is in safe keeping until I dust it off and putt it up for grabs in next years event.
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Ok, so now that we have played the course more than once, what do you all think of the fourth green? I loved it. It's a short Par 5, so I don't see the problem with a wild green. However, I can see how some people may hate it.
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Ok, so now that we have played the course more than once, what do you all think of the fourth green? I loved it. It's a short Par 5, so I don't see the problem with a wild green. However, I can see how some people may hate it.
It might be the most difficult green I've ever played and the initial part of the hole lures you into a false sense of security until you get around the green.
The fairway is huge and it sets up perfectly for a slinger draw around the corner. With the hole being downwind both days, most guys had a chance to hit it in 2. The part that catches you first isn't the green, but it's the long grass behind the green that creeps closer the further you miss to the right. You would think that missing to the right is the smart play because you're pitching back up the slope, but actually, the correct miss is to the left with the open runoff area. The grass to the right will catch tons of balls (it caught mine the first day) and your birdie chance is virtually gone at that point. But from the left it's extremely difficult to get it close because you're pitching back down the slope....and calling it a slope is an understatement!! Unless you knock it stiff, you're gonna be working hard to get it in the hole.
All I know is that if your gonna make 4, your short game had better be tip top. It's a crazy hole, but I think I like it. :)
EDIT - Dan Moore just started a great thread on #4.
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I have a rudimentary routing question for Tom Doak that I probably should have thought of Saturday night, but didn't because I was too busy filling my face with that tri-colored seafood pasta... :
5 par 3s...
Three run west.
Two run south.
None north and none east.
How come?
Shivas, I think you've been duped. 3 runs east, 5 runs ssw, 9 actually runs more to the west than it does to the south, 13 runs on a similar line to 5 and 16 runs east. The only direction missing is north.
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Sven, you're right - partly. I keep thinking that the highway runs mostly east there, but it's really running mostly N to NE at that point, which got me confused directionally.
Still, look at Google Earth: 3 and 16 run the same way (just slightly southeast) and 5, 9 and 13 all run southwest into the same basic prevailing wind...
As long as you say 5 (ssw), 9 (wsw) and 13 (sw) generally run to the SW, we are in agreement.
I've always thought the directions of par 3's to be a topic that gets people too excited. Its pretty cool when it works out that they play to the points on the compass. But it would be hard to make that the case on a true out and back routing. And for a routing like Lost Dunes where holes play to every direction, the fact that the par three's don't run to the north wind only means you'll have some second shots on 4's that do.
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Shivas, with as disjointed as that site is - an interstate cutting across one hald and and entrance road across most of the other half, where would you put one? The long stretches of n/s RE were used to get the par 5's hence no e/w par 5's either. But, since the 3rd shot for 5's and mid-4's is essentially the same as a 3 - does itr eally matter that much or is it just cookbook analysis? Plus, being so close to Lake M, the winds tend to come from multiple directions depending on low or high pressure.
Without the environmental constraints, I doubt if #9 would have been a 3. That walkback is pretty long around the wetland. I probably would have played both 9 and 18 to 18 fairway. Tom smiled when I told him and said they did look at it and even planted some of the only trees they planted to close off the gap as 9 was too evident coming up 18.
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Ok, so now that we have played the course more than once, what do you all think of the fourth green? I loved it. It's a short Par 5, so I don't see the problem with a wild green. However, I can see how some people may hate it.
You didnt get to play the 4th green the second day!!!!! :P
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Shivas:
I didn't worry too much about the par-3's not playing in every compass direction.
The direction of four of them (3, 9, 13 and 16) was pretty much locked in due to the shape of the property and the boundaries of the ponds and environmental easements. The fifth hole was really the only "elective" -- at one time I had #5 playing as a short 4 across the entrance road and then #6 was a par-3 into the corner, but Jeff Shearer was concerned about playing across the entrance, so we switched them back. Either way, that short hole would've played the same compass direction, anyway.
I have always thought that the four-points-of-the-compass par-3 thing is an overrated ideal, that many modern architects are slaves to just because it's an easy thing to pick on.
I do note that #5 is the longest par-3 and #13 the shortest, so the wind will not push them both of them back toward the median. If you've got your long par-3 downwind and your short 3 into the wind, then they aren't really as long or short as they claim to be.
P.S. to Tim: There is an E-W par-5 hole, it's #10.
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I do note that #5 is the longest par-3 and #13 the shortest, so the wind will not push them both of them back toward the median. If you've got your long par-3 downwind and your short 3 into the wind, then they aren't really as long or short as they claim to be.
The four par 3's at Cog Hill play to different yardages on the cards, but with the right wind and taking into account elevation changes they all can play to essentially the same yardage. I had a round there earlier in the month where I pulled the same club on each of them.
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I have several alibis for this past weekend. Besides, the guy does not wear sunglasses:
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu303/mur352/Mur1.jpg)
Hilarious.
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Shivas:
I didn't worry too much about the par-3's not playing in every compass direction.
The direction of four of them (3, 9, 13 and 16) was pretty much locked in due to the shape of the property and the boundaries of the ponds and environmental easements. The fifth hole was really the only "elective" -- at one time I had #5 playing as a short 4 across the entrance road and then #6 was a par-3 into the corner, but Jeff Shearer was concerned about playing across the entrance, so we switched them back. Either way, that short hole would've played the same compass direction, anyway.
I have always thought that the four-points-of-the-compass par-3 thing is an overrated ideal, that many modern architects are slaves to just because it's an easy thing to pick on.
I do note that #5 is the longest par-3 and #13 the shortest, so the wind will not push them both of them back toward the median. If you've got your long par-3 downwind and your short 3 into the wind, then they aren't really as long or short as they claim to be.
P.S. to Tim: There is an E-W par-5 hole, it's #10.
Tom, I must be brain-dead. At least it was a par 5 for me! I guess I forgot because Ken Fry hit the second shot on Sunday so all I remembered was Drive and 2nd shot was over.
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Will the person who shared a cabin with me and paid for my food please PM me or email me at mur352@yahoo.com so I can get repayment details? Thank you. Steve
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Gentlemen,
As a fairly new boy on the block and as far away from Lake Michigan as one can reliably get (Brisbane Oz) I have taken vicarious pleasure in following this thread from its inception to its denouement. It sounded as though it was going to be a fun-filled adventure on a course that, now proven by the marvelous pictures supplied, would be a thrill. And so it has. It was fun for me to put faces to some of the names that pop up with such regularity on this site. Quite a few of you look as though your bark is worse than your bite.! Thanks for the entertainment and the introduction to another great American golf course.
The Hielander
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What a motley crew in Dan's last pic....
Carl Nichols, me, Chris Flamion, Chuck Brown....pre pillowfight.
And that was before you had to carry me around. . . !
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Sorry to call this thread back to the top of everyone's page, but Ran graciously allowed me to register today, so I wasn't able to post last week. I just wanted to thank everyone treating me like one of the group, even though I was an "unknown" and a last minute replacement. I've already thanked some people individually, but it was a really great group to be a part of. And of course, the golf course was terrific.
And George, don't worry about it. I'm pretty sure I hit enough poor shots in our foursomes match to give you a run for your money. Of course, the kicker is that I hit my best drive of the day on 18, after it was already decided.